I don't know if anyone else posted the article here, but there was a great article on Grantland that discusses the trends in NBA defense. Its a great read: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-their-offense
After reading it, I think it explains a lot of what Dunlap was trying to install on the defensive side, and that rather than being a clueless idiot as a lot of yall suspected, he actually was trying to emulate the system of the best defensive mind in the game. Its just we don't have the personnel, experience, and/or basketball IQ to pull it off at a competent level, and just as important, offensives are catching on and catching up to this strategy of defense.
So all those open 3s aren't just a sign of incompetence, but is a purposeful act:
If executed well, then you have the Bulls and Celtics level of defense (which both have the common denominator of Thibodeau). The goal was to haveCoaches want players away from the ball "to 2.9" on defense, and the meaning is simple: Stay in the paint for as long as possible without committing a defensive three-second violation. It's a tenet that has swept across the league during the last few seasons in the form of ultra-aggressive help defense, a sea change that has inspired a slower but perhaps more important evolution in the way NBA teams approach offense.However, unfortunately for Dunlap, just this yeardefenses committed to clogging the lane, sending an extra defender toward the ball, and forcing offenses into second, third, and fourth options.So the intentions were good this summer when installing the system, but Dunlap couldn't have anticipated that it would be figured out this year already. Obviously, adjustments have to be made, with new players who understand defensive principles and have athleticism, and not completely selling out on the help, because quite frankly, players are much better shooters than they were even 5 years ago.Other coaches have copied that style, and smart offenses over the last two seasons — and especially this season — have had to adapt.
I remember when 33% from 3 was considered good, because it was considered equal to shooting 50% from 2. But now, players are hitting at a 40-45% clip from 3 as an average, with probably a much higher percentage for spot up, standstill 3s that are wide open. It makes more sense to force a player to drive and shoot an off balance runner than set up for 3s.
As we've frustratingly seen this year,We keep getting sucked in on purpose in order to swing the ball back out."Players are penetrating now with no intention to score," Casey says. Post-up players, including James and Carmelo Anthony, have gotten better at reading help and skipping the ball immediately to the other side of the floor instead of just hitting the closest player and starting a series of passes, Casey and other coaches say.
A few more highlights about defense in the NBA, which apply directly to our team:
We lack brains.Coaches and GMs are looking harder for specific skill sets that fit within this evolution:
• Brains. Players have to understand a five-man team scheme on defense, and, if they manage to get that down, how to react almost instantly to dozens of different variables that govern how they should react at any given moment.
We're not the only ones suffering from this inability to play D. The Hornets have troubles, the Wizards allowed 20 threes against the Knicks.... on and on.Williams says he knew he was risking that kind of long-distance death, because so many of his players are young and don't yet understand basic NBA things — how to rotate on the spot, which shooters demand closer attention, etc. "We just had to get back to ground zero and protect the rim," Williams says. "We're not trying to give up 3s. But sometimes you give up 3s due to lack of experience and mental breakdowns. My first two years, we had guys who had been on teams where they really defended. Now you bring in young guys who played AAU and all these college zones, and it's just a work in progress."
Last quote:So I myself was scratching my head at this seemingly bizarre tendency to overhelp in the lane and leaving shooters wide open for 3. I still hate it, but this at least explains the reasoning, and what defenses in the league need to do to adapt to the changing schemes. So in conclusion, our players inabilities and lack of experience are what contributes to many of the defensive breakdowns, not necessarily faulty coaching. The key to seeing how good Dunlap is will be looking how he adjusts this summer, and our results next year.Perimeter guys need to know how to slide into the paint, deter some penetration there, and sprint back out at their original mark — a guy who can presumably both shoot and attack off the bounce. That's not easy. "The hardest thing to do in the NBA," Boylan says, "is to help in the paint and then rush back out to the 3-point line to get your guy."
And my favorite part:Ben Gordon, defensive mastermind."Coaches all want you to 2.9 now," Ben Gordon says. "And offenses have had to adjust to that."
Last edited by adam187; 04-11-2013 at 09:30 PM.
Helping on defense is gonna leave people open everytime, PERIOD.
Each player needs to be able to guard, stay in front, and contest every shot from the player they are guarding, in essence forcing them out of their comfort zone leading to low % shots.
This help / paint defense pisses me off to no end. I have to see people drain 3 after 3 as a UNC fan every season.
The only time helping is acceptable is when the guy your leaving open is a terrible shooter.
If a guy cant guard another player and is routinely getting beat he doesnt need to be on the team.
Basketball IQ and hustle / desire go a long way in defense.
Last edited by DashGlobal; 04-11-2013 at 11:57 PM.
this is the Thibs strategy that brought an end to the iso bball era right? well nobody plays iso ball anymore we're in the swing the ball around the 3pt line till someones open era now. if Dunlap is any good he should come up with defensive sets for that instead of one thats already outdated. stick your best defender on say Carmelo. let Carmelo drop 50 if thats what it takes to stop giving up open 3pters every god damn possesion. its the most annoying thing to watch ever.
Would be counter productive to stick your best defender on Melo and him still drop 50.
He is gonna get his need to limit the other guys.
i mean force him to score 50 over our best defenders 1 on 1 if they want to win. if he can actually do that then by all means congrats on the victory. but guys won't be able to do that on us every night. whereas there will always be a couple guys on a team that can burn us with open 3s every single night. its pretty rare to run into a team where everyone is cold on the same night besides us
You are not gonna stop Melo period. I dont care who is guarding him. He is to quick for the bigger guys and to big for the smaller guys. Prob the most complete offensive player in the NBA. Let him get his and stop the other people. Do that and you will win, so long as u execute on offense.
Dash i am not defending Dunlap, but the notion that you cant help on defense is just not realistic. Sure, ideally you would keep your man in front of you, but thats just not going to happen with quick guards. You have to help sometime. I do feel we are left way too far off of three pt shooters too much, but hopefully that will get better as we age.
But the point of this is that there is no way you can not help.
Our system isn't working for anyone else outside of college teams. We play straight zone most of the time and it gets us killed.
Our defense isn't aggressive, we don't trap hard. We sit back in a zone waiting to be attacked. We let the other team dictate match ups. As soon as someone penetrates we look flustered and double guys that haven't proven they can beat us. We give up wide open threes to the other teams best shooters time after time, night after night. Our guys play hard but all those threes going in just sucks the fire out of them.
Every team we play gets better shots then us. Why are we so bad? We don't have old guards that can't stay in front anymore. Kemba is 4th in the league in steals and gets a bunch of blocks for a PG. Gerald Henderson is supposed to be a good defender. Jeff Taylor and MKG are good defenders. Biz is raw but one of the things he is good at is defense, and he is to his credit top 10 in blocks. Who do the bulls have that makes them so good? Noah is good but he only has 10 more blocks on the season then Biz. Deng is good but so is MKG. Boozer is horrible. Rip Hamilton, Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson?
The answer is scheme and no they aren't running the same thing we are. We are playing a zone that gives up tons of open threes, tons of assists, and tons of offensive rebounds because it doesn't work in the NBA where everyone is skilled. Do we need to help sometimes, sure. Do we need to spaz out and help on every single play, no. Our defense looks like a first time 2K player that leaves his man to go after the ball every time, only instead of trying to steal it aggressively we just get in guarding position with two guys and the CPU makes the obvious pass and kills us.