We got to make a move

[ohara831]

I like the first deal proffered by Ammofan. It would be a 3 (and a draft pick) for 2, so it would not deplete out bench too badly. But, if we went after a Minn deal for Al Jefferson, I think that one intrigues me even more. However, either would be good.

I do not believe I would wait too long. With the Oct 31 deadline where ext deals must be done or players become RFA, that puts pressure on a team to deal. I would throw Adam in rather than Herrmann simply because of the salary. If we package him, Othello and a 2nd round pick, that would let us agree with Al to an ext. That way, we are not taking him with the liklihood he will be gone in another year. I do not think that applies with Jack and LMA as they are not in that same position. I would keep Fabio on that deal and keep Adam with us.

[ohara831]

I think I am moving in this direction because I was really surprised we struggled so mightily against Atlanta 2x already and against Orlando. These guys are in our division and we have to be better than we have been playing. The two games we won show what we can be at our best, but we will not always play at our best. Teams that want to go somewhere and make an impact have to be able to win games when they are not playing their best. We simply need more talent on our team to really make a solid playoff run. For the love of God, what a nightmare if we actually have a losing records against Atlanta - I said Atlanta! I am not pushing the Panic Button. I am simply trying to make sure that I am not being blinded by my love for the team and my desire to see them do well. That's all.

[Muttley]

Yeah, no panic button pushing here, but also we can't ignore some possible problems.

1. Point Guard - anybody been satisfied with the way Ray Ray's been playing this preseason? (note: box score indicates that he did shoot well today and didn't overshoot as he has been. 4 of 5 ain't bad.)

2. Banger - we're getting killed on the boards.

I really hope that Vincent and the front office are paying serious attention to these situations and making contingency plans. In particular, I'm okay with trading Felton if he's just gonna play the way he has lately.

However, I do think that things will improve.

[kjk2241]

I expect the team to play around 500 ball this year . But the rebounding is real bad . The players have to stay at home on the boards not rust run . I like the tempo as much as the next guy but you GOT to get the board to run. We have NO physical player to go to as Jake left last year. He did a lot of things you don't see [ BLOCK OUT , FOUL HARD, SET PICKS, the team needs that type player. Its no excuse to be out boarded that bad.
Realisticly playing like we playing now. 30 to 35 wins
Addressing the problem 40 to 45 wins
Let me hear your thoughts on this .

I was just curious because I have first had the discussion with you regarding trading Ammo and now I see you wanting to make changes. I understand how you feel about wanting a banger, the problem is I dont see us realistically doing this. The one player that seems to be on the outside right now is Hermann, but I dont like the idea of trading him.

I dont think that we will get any value for the players that we would be willing to trade. To be honest you IMO we should pick up a big like Marc Jackson before we trade anybody.

I guess that I am a strange fan. I would be excited about making the playoffs,but if we didnt make it, it wouldnt upset me greatly. I know that we are still a ways away from a Championship, so I say we shouldnt give up on some of our young potential just to reach the playoffs now. Keep developing our young talent and the playoffs wont be what we will be shooting for.

But if you want to hear my dream scenario we whould find a way to get Varejao but I know that is not going to happen with the cap, but I guess I can dream right.

[kjk2241]

I would trade Fabio, Othella, Primoz, 2nd Rounder for LMA and J Jack.....

WOW to this trade idea...If you really think that this is feasible you've been playing too many video games. No disrespect but...
Othella(hurt and not doing anything)
Primoz(no trade value, heck he didnt even want to be a FA after his pathetic attempt at basketball last season)
2nd round pick (needle in a hay stack)
Fabio (not a lot of trade value, esentially had a good 3 or 4 months)

Essentially we are trading Fabio+2nd for LMA and Primoz for Jack. Sounds fair to any bobcat fan!

[ohara831]

I expect the team to play around 500 ball this year . But the rebounding is real bad . The players have to stay at home on the boards not rust run . I like the tempo as much as the next guy but you GOT to get the board to run. We have NO physical player to go to as Jake left last year. He did a lot of things you don't see [ BLOCK OUT , FOUL HARD, SET PICKS, the team needs that type player. Its no excuse to be out boarded that bad.
Realisticly playing like we playing now. 30 to 35 wins
Addressing the problem 40 to 45 wins
Let me hear your thoughts on this .

I was just curious because I have first had the discussion with you regarding trading Ammo and now I see you wanting to make changes. I understand how you feel about wanting a banger, the problem is I dont see us realistically doing this. The one player that seems to be on the outside right now is Hermann, but I dont like the idea of trading him.

I dont think that we will get any value for the players that we would be willing to trade. To be honest you IMO we should pick up a big like Marc Jackson before we trade anybody.

I guess that I am a strange fan. I would be excited about making the playoffs,but if we didnt make it, it wouldnt upset me greatly. I know that we are still a ways away from a Championship, so I say we shouldnt give up on some of our young potential just to reach the playoffs now. Keep developing our young talent and the playoffs wont be what we will be shooting for.

But if you want to hear my dream scenario we whould find a way to get Varejao but I know that is not going to happen with the cap, but I guess I can dream right.

I don't think you're a strange fan at all. I understand exactly what you are saying and I respect that view. If we do not play well enough to make the Playoffs, the world would not end. However, this town got burned by Shinn so badly that it really has to make an extremely strong effort to win back so many fans that we lost. they started by resigning Gerald and Matt and getting J-Rich. They need to get Oak resigned which should happen soon. However, that is a good team, likely above avg, but not a team which will go deep in the Playoffs. IF we cannot do anything else this year, so be it. i will root hard for them and expect them to challenge hard every game. Maybe we get a 7th or 8th seed. BUT, if we have an opportunity to put ourselves in a position which can be considered SPECIAL, then not taking it only keeps the fans we want to bring back away. Sometimes, you have to be willing to throw yourself out there and take a chance. If you fail, get back up, dust yourself off and try again. Michael had a mentality as a player that he wanted to be the very bust - never 2nd best. If he still has that drive, he has to make a bold move to put us over the top. Long winded, but I wanted to say it.

[ohara831]

kjk: I understood Ammofan exactly. In Portland, they have an abundance of good PGs and can afford to give up Jack. When Oden comes back, LMA is expendable as Trade bait. If we send them something they can use (Herrmann was inquired about during offseason) and a couple more players which are serviceable but who may have Contracts expiring soon, as well as a 2nd rounder, that gives them some solid flexibility. It was a solid idea. Granted with Oden out they may not do something like that this year, but prior to Oden getting hurt, there was a lot of talk about them moving LMA and Jack, on several Team Boards.

[spectre]

Heh, no panicking going on here!

That package wouldn't get LMA, much less both those guys.  He's not trade bait, he's their ultimate 4 to play with Oden.  Like kjk said, what we're willing to part with won't get ANY value right now.  Morrison has NO value, Fabio had a 20 game stretch which shows potential, but he's also on the short side of reaching 30.  Adding Harrington is a negative, not a positive.

I dont wanna be shot down for this but I think we should trade Ray Felton....I went to the game the other night againest NJ and he didn't seem like he had improved at all...he actually seemed worse! He was missing open shots(and taking unnecessary ones) he was also not getting his passes on the money. (Mainly the Alley oops)...Morrison better not be traded and I dont think he should be. He worked his butt off this summer and has improved! Herrmann on the other hand looksto be back to where he was at the start of last season. I would trade Fabio, Othella, Primoz, 2nd Rounder for LMA and J Jack.....If we traded felton I would trade him for another big....

Just my 2 cents

I'm just astounded by this post.  Tho Felton's not played great (let's totally forget the PG position is the hardest to learn), he's done a HECKUVA lot more than Morrison has for this team.  To even think of trading Felton, esp. since he's struggling and would no doubt bring a lesser talent at PG back in trade on the premise of a few PRESEASON games yet declare a BACKUP wingman untouchable is just assinine.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I think we just need to stay the course. I'm sure Sam will get them to box out better and hence rebound better. I don't think we need to trade anybody just give them a chance to jell and we will come out fine.

[ohara831]

Hey guys, we all need to remember that we all love our Bobcats and we want this team to be the very best. Sometimes we may differ on what we think will help, but we all have to keep our cool and remember that we are talking amongst friends here. No ones ideas are assinine, unless they are trolling our Boards from another team. I love Ray also, but there is concern about how he is playing. To speculate on trading him with others for someone else is OK to discuss, but we would have to get a descent PG back, cannot go with just a Big in return. That leaves us with NO ONE to play PG as a starter. IF we are to make a trade, you must give in order to get. That means either Fabio or Adam would have to go. If we do not make a trade, fine. However, don't talk about a trade if you are unwilling to part with anyone but a scrub because that is unrealistic. Now, lets be GOOD TO ONE ANOTHER - PEACE TO YOU ALL.