We got to make a move

[davcbow]

I may be wrong but I think what started alot of this trade talk stuff is the fact that Boston pulled off that trade with Minnesota and now look at them....

[spectre]

Whatever you want to call it, at the least the thought borders on absolute homerism over a player vs. the team.

Today Ammo played 30:35 minutes...he went 3 of 9, 1 of 2 from the stripe, recorded NO rebounds, NO assists, NO blocked shots and NO steals.

How in the heck does a player be on the court for 2 and a half quarters and do nothing but shoot 33%?

All Ammo has to do is shoot and attempt to play credible defense. Felton has to run the team under a new coach/system, decide who should shoot, when he should drive and when HE should take the shot.

There's no way any credible person could say that Ammo should be untradeable yet we should dump our only PG because of play in preseason.

I'm fine with staying as is; someone said above that the world won't end if we don't make the playoffs and they're right. We are a 4th year team for Christ's sakes. If Mokeski can't get the young guys to block out we cut Fatman and pull in a bruiser.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I love how we were talking so positive about the Bobcats yesterday, but after one off-day for us, there's a gigantic problem that can only be fixed by trading.

Anyway, we should have signed Voskul to a 2-3 year contract. If possible, I wish we could make a trade for him. I don't think we need to panic that much, all we need to do, in my opinion, is sign a back up caliber big man. Heck, I'd be fine with Watkins.

[dav7z]

If you guys noticed in my first post. I didn't say we had to trade a player. I said we HAVE to make some chances.
And we do, any real fan knows it.
1. our biggest problem is rebounding. Some how we stoped boxing out and cleaning up the boards this year.
Just my openion but i think we trying to force a running tempo. If Matt Carroll can box out so can ever one else . Its no need to panic . The problem just has to be addrested. Oak is a hell of a lot better on the boards than hes showed so far. I think hes trying so hard to get out on the break.Davidson and Hollins are doing the same thing as is the whole team.
So im saying we need to clean up the boards .
I didn't say any thing about a big trade either. We just need a experianced banger for mental toughness. It could as bad as a J White a banger and tough ][ no big trades]Have to happen.
I didn,t say nothing about trading our point, Yes Felton has got off to a slow start. And we hearing talk about his turnovers. Ever body is turning the ball over to much.
This new tempo is going to take time for us to adjust to. Thats part of the reason for all the turnovers it's not just Felts its everbody. This needs to be addrested NOW not after the regular season starts.

I say we just step back SLOW down do the fundamentadles and let the tempo come to us . Right now the team is trying to force the speed and screwing everthing else up.

[ohara831]

Spectre: I agree with most of what you said. So, let me ask you. Would you trade Adam and Ray for Jarrett Jack and LMA - straight up? Or, if we had to sweeten the pot with an expiring Contract benchwarmer, would you? That would give us a solid young PG to replace Ray, would cost us Adam's potential, but it gives us LMA to work with Oak. Honestly, I think we would be better than we are now. OR, if we could get Al Jefferson from MINN, who would you part with for the trade?

[WarioVsMooChicken]

CARROL HAS DONE GREAT AT REBOUDING WHEN OTHERS HAVEN'T, STICK HIM AT C!!!!1111 :P

[spectre]

Spectre: I agree with most of what you said. So, let me ask you. Would you trade Adam and Ray for Jarrett Jack and LMA - straight up? Or, if we had to sweeten the pot with an expiring Contract benchwarmer, would you? That would give us a solid young PG to replace Ray, would cost us Adam's potential, but it gives us LMA to work with Oak. Honestly, I think we would be better than we are now. OR, if we could get Al Jefferson from MINN, who would you part with for the trade?

Ohara, absolutely I would even tho it would downgrade the PG slot. If you'll notice, Portland has been using Jack as a SG along with Blake (big clue there...why go after Blake if Jack is starter worthy?) while Roy sits out; visiting their boards you'll see they don't think he has very good court vision but is a very good shooter/defender. The kicker of course is LMA.

The reality is that we have no one short of Emeka or Crash that would get JUST LMA. They are silly high on the dude (he scored 29 the other night) and rightfully so...he'd have been perfect teamed with Mek. They wouldn't give him up for the 3rd pick in the draft (Horford).

Jefferson can't be had either. Look at his situation in Minny like ours was in our 2nd year with Mek. We wouldn't trade him unless it was just stupid not to...they'll be the same way.

Felton/Ammo/'08 1st might get a big man back, but not 2 starters at the 4/5 and the 1. We'd be selling "low", and we just can't afford to do that...we have few enough assets as it is.

[spectre]

Bonnell put this up right after the game:

“Coach says he wants the (power forward and center) to go to the boards, and the (shooting guard and small forward) to run,’’ said Gerald Wallace (34 points, 10 rebounds).

“We want to be up-tempo, but if we need all five guys boxing out (to get a rebound) that’s going to be tough.’’

Coach is experimenting, trying to find what will work and what won't. He played mostly wings today and used Mek at the C...something we KNOW he's loathe to do.

Preseason games are for playing around to see what works. Give it 10 games (even tho I think it could take 20)...if we're getting outrebounded like we did today then yes...we will have to do something.

[ohara831]

Spectre: OK, I respect that viewpoint. The only reason I mentioned Jefferson was from something I wrote earlier in the Thread. On the ESPN Insider for NBA Rumors, it mentioned MINN was offering Al the ext of 5 yr for $50 mil. He is 22, avg 16 pts and 11 or 12 brd. He is a known commodity as he was the best Boston had other than Pierce. He wont take that $ to stay in MINN, so he would become a RFA after 10/31. That is why I think MINN may move him if someone steps up to the plate.

[dav7z]

I want us to run to but damn we can't run if we can't get a board. Bottom line we got to box out and rebound be for we start running . We need at the very least three hiting the board with two back . I WOULD RATHER FOUR HIT THE BOARDS.................