How bad would it have to get for Vincent to be fired by the end of the season?

[ziggy]

I don't anticipate it happening, But what do you think it would take for Sam Vincent to get axed by the end of the season?
20 games below .500, 30 games below .500. An all out player rebellion? Some sort of power move by Emeka saying that he won't re-sign as long as Vincent is the coach?
What do you think it would take?

[dav7z]

An all our rebellion, He has his ace in the hole the lack of a quility big.

[ohara831]

I don't think Okafor alone would do it. Like I mentioned in other posts, I think that if mgmnt feels he is going to hold out for more than $13 mil, he'll never see it from Bob Johnson. I honestly think it would take a player rebellion straight to MJ. Sam is MJ's man, so they would have to air concerns to MJ and persuade him that Sam is wrong for the Bobcats. I honestly do not want that to happen. I hate when the inmates start to run the asylum.

[MattD]

This is awful... we cannot have jordans friends running the bobcats with him as an owner, it doesnt work, you dont do business with your friends because when they fuck up, you either lose the friendship or hurt the business... how difficult is it to fire a friend... very, we are screwing ourselves step by step. we need a new owner, new team, new pa announcer, hell new everything except the arena that is really nice

[spectre]

we need a new owner, new team, new pa announcer, hell new everything except the arena that is really nice

Was everyone's knee jerking this bad last year at this time when we had a 5 and 15 record?

We are worse in the front court than we were last year and it's obvious this deficiency is costing us games. V is a rookie coach and NO ONE should be surprised that there would be struggle. He will get at least 2 years and probably 3 before he'd be axed.

[ohara831]

we need a new owner, new team, new pa announcer, hell new everything except the arena that is really nice

Was everyone's knee jerking this bad last year at this time when we had a 5 and 15 record?

We are worse in the front court than we were last year and it's obvious this deficiency is costing us games. V is a rookie coach and NO ONE should be surprised that there would be struggle. He will get at least 2 years and probably 3 before he'd be axed.

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I thoroughly agree. Sam should get at least 2 full years at the helm to prove himself. I think management has not given him the talent to succeed yet.
Regarding the comparison to last year, Spectre, I honestly felt more confidence in last year's team! I know that may sound crazy, but we played as a TEAM last year. I have only seen that a handful of times this year.

[spectre]

That's because as bad as Bernie was with Xs and Os he had experience. He didn't draw up plays and he ran very simple offensive sets...things that are EASY to learn (like running Ammo around the entire half court trying to get him free off screens). We sucked defensively...usually last in opponents' FG%, and we struggled to stay in games. The only thing we did is work hard and never gave up...but even then we lost.

V (I assume) is trying to incorporate some actual plays, yet we're struggling because...we've never ran plays of any significance before! There are no plays to get Mek involved...V is trying to put that in. No plays for Crash...his game is isolation where he usually drives and tries to make something happen.

You guys don't want mediocrity...well that's what our guys have been learning for the last 3 years. Working hard will only get you so far; you have to learn HOW to win.

BTW, I don't see the guys not working hard...I think they're doing everything they can. I see them CONFUSED. Some of that is no doubt Vincent, but a lot of it is the stagnation of their basketball growth over the last few years.

[spectre]

We sucked defensively...usually last in opponents' FG%, and we struggled to stay in games.  The only thing we did is work hard and never gave up...but even then we lost.

Speaking of which...let's go back to the game a while back (Chicago?) where we continually got burnt off screens.  You know what, we've ALWAYS got burnt off screens.  I know I'm not the only one that still has nightmares about Primoz' man setting the screen, Primoz gets in our PGs way trying to get around the screen and Primoz ends up trailing the guard from about 4 ft while he goes in for the layup?

Well V answered that the very next game.  The guys now rush the screen and overwhelm the guy with the ball.  It's not worked every time, but its does most times.

What Bernie never addressed in three years V did it after one game.

It's a work in progress, and it ain't gonna be fixed overnight.

[davcbow]

I call it going pains!

[123together]

i would hope that they don't fire vincent just because its so soon, but if we lose more games than we did last year, there may be reason for him to be axed, especailly cuz we've been healthy this year