FIRE SAM VINCENT

[dvdbumpus]

As stated in the Nets game thread...I warned one and all that if they started Mcinnis that I would have officially lost faith in Vincent's decision making. I don't need to go into detail as it's obvious the reasons why.

Feel Free to state your support in having Vincent gone!

[Wallace15]

I want him gone. Get somebody in here that will utilize our talent properly and actually motivate out players.

Sam, we given you the most talented Bobcats team yet. Talented enough to make it to the playoffs and you've failed miserably at coaching us.

You whined all that time about not having a big that you could play beside Okafor and when Jordan and company finally give you what you wanted in trading for Narz you decide that Okafor is actually a 5 and that you aren't going to play them at the same time. Not to mention that your starting JEFF FUCKING MCINNIS instead of him.

SAM THIS ISN'T THAT HARD! START FELTON, RICHARDSON, WALLACE, OKAFOR AND NARZ. DON'T START MCINNIS AND ACTUALLY GIVE PT TO PLAYERS THAT DESERVE IT LIKE DUDLEY!

[CMc$]

The worse thing about Vincent is not just that he plays stupid line-ups, it's that he does them at the least appropriate time. Versus Chicago last week their coach was smart enough to go big against us and what happened? They handed our tail to us on a plate. Did we adjust our game accordingly? Not until the lead had completely evaporated, and only for a few minutes did we try to match size. This is coaching 101. If you have a glaring deficiency vs. an opponent and it can be fixed, then please, fix it.

Another gripe that I had from day one (remember 6-4? that was nice) is that V seems to have no heart. The guys can go out there and give no effort, completely blow a huge lead, and he doesn't seem to care. He never rips into them, he doesn't even look bothered by losing.

[MattD]

hes lineups are just horrendous, he will take out jrich and gerald when they are the only ones scoring and we dont have anything...
the way he pieces together the playing time just doesnt make any sense to me, he wont set up an offense that helps the team maximize potential he just runs his little baseline cut, when I get to sit close to the action, its the most boring offense to watch

he refuses to take responsibility for anything, he is a butt buddy with jeff (maybe thats too far) I dont hate jeff, but hes not a starter. He gets no respect from the players and has no motivational skills, the players hate him and when you are hated and not feared, you are never going to be successful as a coach.

just look at the players on the bench, they are up occasionally, normally the only ones are the cheerleaders ryan hollins and jeff but now with jeff starting... I think its great to support your team, but I remember in the Jazz game, when Okafor wasnt playing the last minutes, he sat there and didnt respond to anything that happened.


I think I understand now why Okafor may have refused the huge salary, and it makes more and more sense. Okafor is very very smart, I think he'd love to be getting a big paycheck, but I think he would rather be happy in a good situation. I think he's be decently happy here in Charlotte, enjoying that we've embraced him, but after preseason with the new coach, had mixed feelings, he has the option to walk away from charlotte, and I bet if Sam Vincent is still running the show or unless something drastically changes he will.

[ohara831]

Not yet. Let's look at this rationally before we let our emotions make accusations of which we may not know all the facts. We are making assumptions without knowing facts.

First, are any of us privy to the conversations with the Coach and management? No. How do we know that Sam and MJ and others have not sat around and discussed who can do what on the floor, and they ALL AGREED on the lineup? How do we know that this is Sam only? WE dont. As such, we can only argue that the players are not playing well, seem unmotivated, the Coach wil not take any blame publicly, we have underacheiving players, etc... That puts some of the blame on the players, some on the Coach and some on management.

Can we all agree we are underacheiving? Can we all agree the Coach needs to take more blame upon himself? Can we agree that some players are playing entirely unmotivated and uninspired ball? Can we point the finger at the players, Coach and Management? Yes to all questions. We just cannot say Yes to the questions for which we do not know the answers. We just cannot ASSUME too much - remember, when we ASSUME, we make an ass of u and me.

I feel your pain guys. God, how I feel your pain. Expectations were sky high, and the reality that we actually suck is really crappy. A lost season for a lost team. Someone up front has jsut got to bring in someone to run the show who is a Wizard. Honestly, I would love Jerry West to come in, and I would trust him to do whatever with the Coaching position, make whatever trades, draft whom he likes (he's a hell of a judge of talent) and sign whatever FA he feels will help. He knows basketball.

[ALong13]

He is doing terrible for us, and I agree he should be fired, give him until the end of the season, and bring in another coach to use on a high draft pick, bring in a coach with expierence, not a rookie coach, someone that will make us winners, cause this sh*t is getting old...

[bizzlecatz]

After watching the game last night. I have to agree partly with Ohara, mangement and Bernie is also the blame.

The only one of our starting five who plays their natural position is McInnis.

Crash is a better PF than SF, JRich is a better SF than SG, Mek is a better C than PF, and Felts is a combo guard. I'm thinking maybe Vincent didn't realize this, and was thinking he had an excellent PF and PG, but realize too late this is what he inherited. Does this mean Mek and Felts are underachevers. No, They were never groomed for their positions, and that's partly Bernie's fault. I'm not going to let you bash two kids because they are making millions.

As far as Vincent is concern, I am not assuming anything, I am going by what I see,and so are MattD and CMc$ it is obvious, now do I want him gone. YES! i WANT SOMEONE WHO KNOW HOW TO GET THE MOST OUT OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH. Isn't that part of the job.

[ohara831]

Bizzlecatz : I am not bashing anyone due to the money they make. I am simply saying that Okafor and Felton are only avg at best at their positions. If we have the opportunity to upgrade at each position, then we have to do it. It matters not if someone has been with us for several years, or went to out favorite college. I just want to win.

[spectre]

Every player is vulnerable if we can upgrade their position. Getting better players (esp. at the 1 & 4 or 5) is easier said than done. If you're talking draft I'd prefer not to take another wing, but in our position I don't really see how we don't go with best player available.

Jordan absolutely deserves blame for this. Since the bigger idiocy has gone on now for over a week it appears the pressure for Vincent to win NOW or else is genuine...and that's just wrong without going into the season with a more experienced PG AND taking care of scoring in the post. If he lets it continue we're going to suffer more than just this season...players are getting frustrated and bitter. The longer they go without becoming a unit the harder it's going to get.

After he made the decision to bring on Vincent we should have traded for Andre Miller at the beginning of the season. A rookie coach and a learning PG does not a good combination make. He needs an experienced leader on the court.

An easier solution is erase the mistake of bringing in a rookie coach and bringing in a coach with gravitas, who will teach...someone like Larry Brown. He can even let Vincent move to the bench and take over in a couple of years, but right now we need someone who will take over and demand respect.

[bizzlecatz]

Okay Ohara: Maybe that comment was a bit too much, but it seems as if you think they should be playing better for what they are making, and ready to trade them away for more rookies and experience vets.

The only upgrade I would trade them away for is a Superstar. Something like Boston did.

Put them on the block and see how fast another team pick them up and easy correct what the bobcats couldn't

I want to win now also,but this is an expansion team its going to take time. Vincent wanted to play them in their natural poistions at the beginning of the season, but realized they weren't properly groomed for it.

Spectre: you solution is best. I would like to see Vincent as an assistant in which we can groom into the position of head coach for the future also.

Right now this team need an expierence head coach, not a quick fix.