A Few Trade Thoughts...

[Dead_Real]

Ohara Andre Iguodala turned down $57 million contract extension from them.

[spectre]

I think every trade I've proposed in the last two years (maybe 3) Slam always counters with an Iggy trade!

I'd love to have him, but I'd be flat out amazed if PHI doesn't lock him up even for the max. He's probably not quite worth that contract, but to them he probably is. He'd be an upgrade to Crash because of his handles and his BBIQ.

How do we cover the PF position in that scenario? Draft? Money would be an issue too, but maybe not too much...a big deal would still start in the 12-13 range wouldn't it?

Ohara...what do you think of the Odom deal?

[ohara831]

Spectre: I like that proposal. I think we might even get the Lakers to give us their late 1st as well. I'd try to grab a big that slid late like JaVon Hardin or someone such as he. I'd like that alot.

I have a concern with Mayo lasting to our pick at either 7th or 8th. He is moving back up and he may now be the 4th or 5th player selected. Gordon from Indiana will likely be there if you'd take him, or Jarryd Bayless, but he might be staying in school. But Mayo is starting to move up and out of our range, unless we get lucky ping pong balls.

[ohara831]

Ohara Andre Iguodala turned down $57 million contract extension from them.

_________________________________________________ But how many years was it? It may still work out to around $9-10 mil/yr.

[chabber]

Slam suggesting another Iggy trade? Who'd have thunk it.

Ignoring the fact that Odom is an expiring for the moment I'd do that trade.

I'm concerned with Wallace's concussions obviously but I'm also thinking about how he's going to hold up in the years to come. Most of what makes him so great is his athleticism and once that starts fading due to injuries or age I'm not sure how valuable he's going to be.

The good thing for us about Odom is that his strengths are part of our teams biggest weaknesses. He's someone who's is smart with the basketball, he can create for himself and others and he rebounds fairly well. We'd have a slight drop off in defense I would think but then again maybe Odom could cover some of those PF's out from the basket that Mek has such a hard time with.

Plus in your trade suggestion we'd be getting Farmar who could handle being a backup PG for now and maybe even steal a little bit of Felts time. However I'm not sure they'd part with him in this deal as they'd be down to an aging Fisher and Vujacic since the got rid of Crit earlier in the year. They would probably try to move Turiaf instead, and I'd go for that too.

[Dead_Real]

Ohara Andre Iguodala turned down $57 million contract extension from them.

_________________________________________________ But how many years was it? It may still work out to around $9-10 mil/yr.

It was for five years.

[MattD]

let me just go ahead and shout this one out
PHILA WILL NOT WILLINGLY TRADE IGGY

Why the hell would they break up theyre new found success in a post iverson team. They are doing great and iggy is their main building block along with crash.

If PHILA fans saw this I bet the majority of them would laugh in our faces, like we did when we heard Okafor for Bargnani and Parker.

It only helps one team.

[Slam]

Am I that predictable? Might be time to find a new love child! 1st it was Joe Johnson, then Iggy, now Roy!! If Mayo pans out like some think he will, he might be 1st in line!

I see a trend in player type developing here!

I guess we all know what I think this team is missing then!

[Slam]

MattD - let me show you some stuff you might find interesting. If nothing else, maybe it stops you from using capital letters?:

"Sixers' Iguodala has faith he can play for larger fortune
By PHIL JASNER
Philadelphia Daily News

jasnerp@phillynews.com

A veteran scout who requested anonymity said: "To me, he's (iggy) the second- or third-best player on a good team. He doesn't have any glaring weaknesses; he's a good defender, a good passer, a little fancy, a high-turnover guy. He runs the floor and is athletic. If the Sixers had a star, he'd be a great player."

The money?

"I thought he was out of his mind, quite frankly [to turn it down]," the scout said. "First of all, there's no money out here. But I think all of this is based on [the Sacramento Kings'] Kevin Martin, who got about $55 million. Martin, though, was averaging 21 [points a game for a team] in the West, and he found a team that thought that was his worth. I don't see a team paying Iguodala $57 million."

Iguodala ascended to the dual roles of leader and best player after Iverson was traded to the Nuggets in December 2006, helping drive the Sixers to 17 victories in their last 26 games.

"It would help him if he had more guys around him, which he's starting to get," Rivers said. "What they're doing right now is phenomenal; they're playing amazing ball and he's the leader, he and Andre Miller. This is his first shot; last season, in the middle of the year, shouldn't count."

Good player to great player to franchise player. That's the ladder Iguodala is attempting to climb, said Hall of Famer Bill Walton. "I think the role model for him has got to be [Wizards forward] Caron Butler, showing the ability to become one of the top 15 players in the conference, to be able to translate talent into impact, control and wins," Walton said. "Ultimately, the result of that is the imagination of the crowd that is drawn to watch you. Can you sell tickets? Can you be the driver of the engine?

"I was stunned with all the guys that turned down the money. Those are huge amounts. Are you going to be able to get significantly more by waiting longer? I'm not sure that's the case, and even as salaries continue to grow, [you're talking about] another 1 to 2 million [dollars] . . . for what?"

Iguodala has consistently said he is comfortable with his decision and that, if he and the team play well, things will take care of themselves.

"I think two things when guys turn down the money," said Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy. "Most people look and say 'How in the heck could you do that?' I always think they're taking a risk, but at the same time I say they're showing tremendous confidence in themselves and their abilities.

"If a guy is going to be a franchise player, and I think that's what Andre Iguodala wants to be, it starts obviously with talent, but the next thing is, they better have tremendous confidence. I think that's what he's showing."

And then there was this caveat from Minnesota Timberwolves broadcaster Billy McKinney: "Whenever a guy turns down that kind of money, I think back to Christian Laettner, who turned down $63 million from the Atlanta Hawks, then blew out his Achilles tendon. Sometimes, a reality check needs to happen."

That will come, one way or another, this summer. * "



Just because he thinks he's worth $57 over 5, doesn't mean he's getting $57 over 5. Is EO50 going to get his $60?

Add in the development of Young, plus the incentive of an ex #1 over all and an additional current 1st round pick, it could be tempting.

Think of what you would accept for EO50 in a S&T

[spectre]

Spectre: I like that proposal. I think we might even get the Lakers to give us their late 1st as well. I'd try to grab a big that slid late like JaVon Hardin or someone such as he. I'd like that alot.

I have a concern with Mayo lasting to our pick at either 7th or 8th. He is moving back up and he may now be the 4th or 5th player selected. Gordon from Indiana will likely be there if you'd take him, or Jarryd Bayless, but he might be staying in school. But Mayo is starting to move up and out of our range, unless we get lucky ping pong balls.

I know...maybe if we got that 1st we throw that in with our draft pick to move up a couple of spots? Don't know the others like you guys do...but I'm not trading Crash unless Mayo (or Iggy) is coming in.

Slam suggesting another Iggy trade? Who'd have thunk it.

Ignoring the fact that Odom is an expiring for the moment I'd do that trade.

I'm concerned with Wallace's concussions obviously but I'm also thinking about how he's going to hold up in the years to come. Most of what makes him so great is his athleticism and once that starts fading due to injuries or age I'm not sure how valuable he's going to be.

The good thing for us about Odom is that his strengths are part of our teams biggest weaknesses. He's someone who's is smart with the basketball, he can create for himself and others and he rebounds fairly well. We'd have a slight drop off in defense I would think but then again maybe Odom could cover some of those PF's out from the basket that Mek has such a hard time with.

Plus in your trade suggestion we'd be getting Farmar who could handle being a backup PG for now and maybe even steal a little bit of Felts time. However I'm not sure they'd part with him in this deal as they'd be down to an aging Fisher and Vujacic since the got rid of Crit earlier in the year. They would probably try to move Turiaf instead, and I'd go for that too.

Yeah, kind of thought that too on Farmar, but I was trying to get more out of Crash (think he's worth more than Odom...some might disagree), but like you Turiaf wouldn't be bad, esp. if we got their pick like Ohara mentioned. He might be a UFA though.

Imagine if we did have that lineup I suggested...other than Mek Swish would be the worst passer of the bunch. You know Swish, the guy who's made 2 STELLAR behind the back passes in the last two games. Man would the ball movement be swift!

Think of what you would accept for EO50 in a S&T

I think it's almost impossible, but how's about a switch? I personally don't think Mek'd be the best fit for Philly but some of their fans feel he'll fill their PF hole...I didn't bother to try and change their minds. We'd still have Crash to get a big (tho who that'd be I have no idea).