Matt Carroll = Bad Signing.

[Mustachio]

Everyone on this site likes to hate on the Adam Morrison deal... calling him a bust.

I don't think theres enough evidence there to support that theory... but i will say it hasn't been the worlds greatest start.

That said. If your upset with the Ammo deal, why hasn't anyone called out Matt Carroll. Matt is averaging 8.9 points a game. For a SG thats terrible, couple that with the fact that we now have Jrich, and the fact that MC makes 5.45 Million dollars a year for THE NEXT 6 FREAKIN YEARS! all adds up to a terrible signing. lets just look at some numbers.

Matt Carroll: 2007-08 Season. 8.9 ppg/0.9 apg/2.7 rpg
Adam Morrison: 2006-07 Season. 11.8 ppg/2.1 apg/2.9 rpg

keep in mind Ammo was a rookie, while MC has been in the league (or D-league) for 4-5 years now. So by the big 3 numbers, Ammo is a better scorer, rebounder and distributor. Adam Morrison is also way more versatile. So people that complain that Crash is our SF. thats fine, Adam can back up Crash and Jrich and definetly be ok starting in their place. Meanwhile, unless Sam Vincent is coaching, Matt Carroll can only replace Jrich. and as far as starting... do you really think we are better off starting MC or Ammo.

I think that Adam has 10x the upside that Matt has. He can play more positions and play them better. and Matt makes WAY too much money for what he offers. there are 100s of Matt Carrolls around. Before we go offering to trade all these players like Mek, Morrison and May, I think we need to step back and rethink all the positions. even if he is a fan favorite.

I am under the impression that if Charlotte is ever gonna have a good balanced roster with the cap space to make any decent moves... Matt Carroll needs to go. Trade him for draft picks, or a Dleaguer for all i care. Just get his brick throwing 5.45 million dollars off my cap space.

[spectre]

I think that Ammo and Hammer are different players so it's hard to do a straight up comparison. Hammer provides a valuable asset in being a catch and shoot scorer whereas Ammo didn't really accel in doing that. What's really the downside in having both is neither is good defensively.

Couple points in Hammer's favor though: 1) Vincent giving him sporadic PT is a decent excuse for his struggles this year. 2) His contract is frontloaded. We might be paying retail now but in a couple of years he'll be well worth his money and will be a good asset.

[Muttley]

I like Matt Carroll as a person and a player.

What gets to me though is the amount of time that it takes for him to get in a groove. With the wing-heavy roster we have, he's gotta be better at sparking the offense as a sub and not needing to take 4 or 5 shots before he starts hitting them. It's worth noting though if I'm not mistaken, that Matt's contract shrinks over the remaining years.

I'd love to keep Adam and Matt and everyone else on the roster until they retire if it were possible, but it's not. Unfortunately, we may have to move someone this off-season. I liked what Ammo did last summer getting in better shape and obviously stepping up his D. It's so awful for him and the fans that we didn't get to see his improvement this season. Hopefully he'll get back to that level again soon.

If we need to move either, and it's the best thing for the Cats, then I'd have to accept moving whichever gets us the most in return.

I dunno, I guess I'm rambling, but let me conclude by saying that we really need to sign Larry Brown (or Silas, etc) before the Bobcats Org seriously discusses moving anyone. They're going to have a certain player set in mind for what they want to do. They may want a 3-point specialist shooting guard or they may want a cheaper sg/sf.

[ammofan]

I agree with you 100% about Adam Morrison being called a bust for no reason BUT he cant be compared to Matt Carroll and vice-versa because they are different players. Matt is more of just a shooter. If we got into the playoffs Matt could come off the bench and give us that clutch end of game 3-pointer.
Adam on the other hand, can do a little bit of eveerything. he gives us the attitude that we need too. He is more of a starter than Matt and Adam could easily put up 20 ppg next season if he stated in place of Wallace...

[Mustachio]

all that sounds good... but answer me this.

whens the last time Matt Carroll came in and hit the clutch 3?? cause i sure cant remember it.

whens the last time Matt Carroll came in and hurt someone with his supposed catch and shoot ability. Whens the last time he took over a game?

biggest question is... what has Matt done lately that we arent absolutely positive Jrich and Ammo couldnt solve?

Im just saying Adam makes less money right now, and sells more jersey's. hes the bigger asset in my opinion, because quite frankly im not sure yet what Matt Carroll really brings to the table for 5 million dollars. Adam can come into a game and miss 4 3 pointers in a row for god sakes... and sell more jerseys while doing it. any thing Matt can do, Adam can do better. so why not shop Matt and see what we can get? and if nothing else just get his ridiculous salary off the books... scaled or not.

[Slam]

Adam Morrison wishes he was half the basketball player Matt Carroll is.

[ziggy]

Mustachio, I believe that I'm going to have to side with you on the Adam -vs- Matt debate.
Matt is a nice catch and shoot player, but given a healthy season or two under his belt with some quality coaching, I feel that Adam clearly has a higher ceiling. His rookie year had some truly bad moments, but he was put in a position and asked to do things where it was tough for him to succeed.

Howeva, (In my best Stephen A. <cheese doodle> Smith impersonation) if he shoots 36% from the field next year then I can't defend him any more. That FG% has to come WAY up.

[Mustachio]

oh clearly adam has some work to do. my only point is... adam was a freakin rookie adjusting to a new game and still out scored out rebounded and had more assist than Matt Carroll who is making twice as much money.

its all about value... and because adam has so much higher of a ceiling i feel like his upside is worth his rookie contract. where as we are grossly overpaying for MC's services.

[davcbow]

Carroll is a proven player, he is good more than he is bad. Morrison hasn't proved himself yet, but he will be back and I bet a lot of folks are going to change their minds about him if he can stay healthy. I think that if Ham Biscuit wasn't the coach Adam might have been able to avoid his injury. I think Adam was playing against a player he really shouldn't have played against during the pre-season game. Plus also the Lakers had a vendetta against the Cats and weren't going to let them win no matter what it took. I remember the play but can't remember the player he was playing against but boy they seemed very aggressive the entire game. Morrison will be back and change people's minds.

[Slam]

Wea re glossing over Ammo earning 3.8 a year and Hammer earning 5.4 - FAR from double.

We are glossing over the 4th years of their deals - when they will both be earning about the same.

We are glossing over the fact that drafting Ammo cost us Roy or Gay and maybe even LMA - guys who are and will be MUCH better than Ammo.

We are glossing over their per game stats -

Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Matt Carroll 2004 2008 268 68 20.7 3.0 7.0 .420 1.1 2.7 .410 1.9 2.2 .849 0.4 2.0 2.4 0.8 0.6 0.2 0.8 1.9 8.9
2 Adam Morrison 2007 2007 78 23 29.8 4.6 12.1 .376 1.1 3.3 .337 1.5 2.2 .710 0.7 2.3 2.9 2.1 0.4 0.1 1.7 2.3 11.8

which show that Ammo played almost TEN more mins per game, took FIVE more shots and shot MUCH worse from the floor, the 3pt line AND the ft line.

We are glossing over that Ammo is TWO inches taller yet a MUCH worse rebounder than Hammer - and we all know how much we need rebounding.

We are glossing over the fact that Ammo is YET to take a charge in an NBA game - yet Hammer puts his body on the line and scraps for loose balls every, single, game.


I like Ammo, and I have really high hopes for him next season. He is a basketball junkie and I bet that having to sit out this whole season has just eaten away at him. I bet he comes out next season on fire with something to prove and a real love for the game.

But don't EVER try to put down one of our heart and soul guy's who is miles better than Ammo at the moment to try and pump your boys tyres up.