Matt Carroll = Bad Signing.

[Mustachio]

30+ minutes consistency what the hell are you people talking about.

HE BACKS UP JRICH AND CAN PLAY NO OTHER POSITION! why in the hell would you bench Jrich for 30 minutes. ever. unless your name is sam vincent. and why in gods name would you play Jrich at the SF position so that you could get Matt Carroll in the game? come on guys... there really is no arguing this point... we pay too much for a back up who often doesnt fulfill his role. but he does it with heart so i guess its ok.

thats part of my beef. we have Dudley who can play the 3 and maybe the 4 for small stretches.... we have morrison who plays the 3 and can definetly play the 2. It just makes more sense to become more flexible with your roster than to pay 5 million dollars to a guy who's only role is to spot fill for a borderline all star. Jrich should never sit a game for more than 5-10 minutes. in little stretches through the game of course.... which means his back up is gonna get 5-10 minutes. If you cant come in for those stretches and your making as much as MC does... your a bad signing.

and if you call sitting on the bench coming in and hoistin 5 threes making 2 consistent... then your easier to please than I.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Carrol at point guard, how many times do I have to say it?

[ziggy]

I'd do Adam...in the straightest way possible.

Sir... Thats T-Shirt slogan worthy material right there.

[MattD]

30+ minutes consistency what the hell are you people talking about.

HE BACKS UP JRICH AND CAN PLAY NO OTHER POSITION! why in the hell would you bench Jrich for 30 minutes. ever. unless your name is sam vincent. and why in gods name would you play Jrich at the SF position so that you could get Matt Carroll in the game? come on guys... there really is no arguing this point... we pay too much for a back up who often doesnt fulfill his role. but he does it with heart so i guess its ok.

thats part of my beef. we have Dudley who can play the 3 and maybe the 4 for small stretches.... we have morrison who plays the 3 and can definetly play the 2. It just makes more sense to become more flexible with your roster than to pay 5 million dollars to a guy who's only role is to spot fill for a borderline all star. Jrich should never sit a game for more than 5-10 minutes. in little stretches through the game of course.... which means his back up is gonna get 5-10 minutes. If you cant come in for those stretches and your making as much as MC does... your a bad signing.

and if you call sitting on the bench coming in and hoistin 5 threes making 2 consistent... then your easier to please than I.

easy killah. Read what I said. I never suggested benching Jrich for Carroll.

If he was a starting SG, he would be worth his money. I wouldnt sit Jrich for Carroll as a starter, and right now Carroll's role is a 10-15 minute guy off then bench, this doesnt really fit his style of play.

However, Carroll's deal in terms of talent, is pretty good. His deal in terms of his situation, not as good, and a little bit too long (6 years, only excellent players get that long generally).

As far as consistency, Carroll's shooting is not streaky, its pure and really almost always excellent. That puts him above people like ammo who can be amazing and then crap.

now, to go off topic a little bit again and answer another one of your questions, I think Jrich plays a better SF then he does a SG. Jrich is a great mid-long range shooter, and is pretty good on drives, but when there is another sharp shooter on the court, it opens the floor for him. Maybe if we were talking an excellent shooting PG, then he could be just as good at SG, but I like how he plays at SF.

With our roster, it doesnt make sense when everyone is healthy, but when we won 5 in a row, we were starting Jrich at the three.

[MattD]

well tonight matt really helped me prove my point... oh wait, 36 minutes, only 8 points of 3-9. oh well, the past two he was averaging 19.5

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Everyone on this site likes to hate on the Adam Morrison deal... calling him a bust.

I don't think theres enough evidence there to support that theory... but i will say it hasn't been the worlds greatest start.

That said. If your upset with the Ammo deal, why hasn't anyone called out Matt Carroll. Matt is averaging 8.9 points a game. For a SG thats terrible, couple that with the fact that we now have Jrich, and the fact that MC makes 5.45 Million dollars a year for THE NEXT 6 FREAKIN YEARS! all adds up to a terrible signing. lets just look at some numbers.

Matt Carroll: 2007-08 Season. 8.9 ppg/0.9 apg/2.7 rpg
Adam Morrison: 2006-07 Season. 11.8 ppg/2.1 apg/2.9 rpg

keep in mind Ammo was a rookie, while MC has been in the league (or D-league) for 4-5 years now. So by the big 3 numbers, Ammo is a better scorer, rebounder and distributor. Adam Morrison is also way more versatile. So people that complain that Crash is our SF. thats fine, Adam can back up Crash and Jrich and definetly be ok starting in their place. Meanwhile, unless Sam Vincent is coaching, Matt Carroll can only replace Jrich. and as far as starting... do you really think we are better off starting MC or Ammo.

I think that Adam has 10x the upside that Matt has. He can play more positions and play them better. and Matt makes WAY too much money for what he offers. there are 100s of Matt Carrolls around. Before we go offering to trade all these players like Mek, Morrison and May, I think we need to step back and rethink all the positions. even if he is a fan favorite.

I am under the impression that if Charlotte is ever gonna have a good balanced roster with the cap space to make any decent moves... Matt Carroll needs to go. Trade him for draft picks, or a Dleaguer for all i care. Just get his brick throwing 5.45 million dollars off my cap space.

Before anybody gets bruised egos over their players being ridiculed lets take a deep breath. Nobody on this team is really all that bad. AMMo was not ready to be a teams leader and that affected his play as much as anything. I feel that Adam gave us signs last year of some quality potential. Offensively I feel his game will be much improved. Defensively I think he will struggle. Still he will make up for that liability with offensive hustle and quality point production down low.

Matt Carroll will be much better next year IF we have a coach that understands how to use his game. If we can get him more involved in receiving kick outs from drivers and we allow him to occasionally handle the ball more he will get into the flow of the game. All one has to do is remember how Bernie figured out how to use him late last year.

We all know Raymond never got a chance to get in sync with his teammates and that was in big part because he had so few minutes playing his primary position. Stop all this bantering about the PLAYERS who will be keeping us down and refocus your anger on the real problem. Fine Ham Biscuit has done nothing but destroy the chemistry this team had at the end of last year. If you are real honest with yourselves you will remember how even AmMo had better production late last year.

With all this said, Bernie was not much of a coach til he somehow got his team to respond to him and respect him. As far as X's and O's and lineups, Bernie didn't always get it or we may have made the playoffs last year. In my opinion, if this current team would have had a top rated head coach we wouldn't even be worrying about who is better between Adam and Matt.

I will predict that AmMo WILL have much improved offensive statistics and WILL contribute to far more wins than losses next year. I also predict that Sean May will be a nice bonus as well. All our players will be better IF WE GET A GOOD TO GREAT HEAD COACH and fire the FHB. We have the talent NOW to be at least a fifth seed in the east. That is of coarse my opinion unless I state facts and say otherwise.

[dav7z]

Why is it Carroll or Morrison, Why not Harrington DA or some of the others.
1st All i hear is how bad of a contract Carroll has OMG it's just a six year FRUNT loaded contract to help us in coming years starting at five milion a year and and droping ever year for the next five . His last two years should be close to a vetran minium contract. Hes a shooter a needed player to open up a zone defence. He has the purest shot on the team . Just for that reason along hes worth the contract we give him .Damn we not paying him to be a all star just to do his job extend the defence. If coach V had played to Carrolls strenths this topic would have never started,
2nd Morrison better than Carroll or Carroll better than Morrison who the hell cares as long as we win. You can't even start to compare the two because Marrison didn't even touch a ball after regular season started .
I will say Morrison cost us more wins than Carroll this year because Morrison never hit the court. The same reasoning goes for May as he never hit the court either.
Can Morrison become better than Carroll [YES] if he gets over the ACL thing which is hard to do [his carer might be over] Do i think it is ,i don't know. Will he be a all star i don't think so . His defence and lack of rebounding and lack of speed . His health issues diabatis and still smoking CAN'T help him at all , He really needs to start taking better care of his body . The same could be said about May.
3rd Who has a the better out look over the next five years . It's no doubt it's clear cut it's Carroll. For reasons allready stated. As for whitch contract is the worst it's Morrisons figure it this way Morrison played zero games this year and made four milliom Carroll played 80 games and made five milion . Carrolls salery is going down while Morrisons is going up . Morrison may never play again . Whitch do i consider to be the worst contract Morrison HANDS DOWN.
All that being said either player could be a key peice to the team . Why does it have to be either ,or ,.both players could be a big help for this team next year. I PREFER TO PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS COACH Biscuit V.

[Alex]

Just thought I would bump this to give Matt some respect for his awesome performance tonight. I think he's one of the best spot up shooters in the league, especially in the corners.