Rasheed Wallace?

[110oldeast]

On another note, I am a big Dudley fan as well. For all the credit Crash gets as a defender, it is more in the gamble for steals highlight form. Dudley in his first year has already shown more as a lockdown individual defender than Crash has while being one of the Bobcats most sound players on both sides of the ball.

[Mustachio]

On another note, I am a big Dudley fan as well. For all the credit Crash gets as a defender, it is more in the gamble for steals highlight form. Dudley in his first year has already shown more as a lockdown individual defender than Crash has while being one of the Bobcats most sound players on both sides of the ball.

sorry man i cant go along with that... Crash is a 10 times better defender than Dudley can even dream of being.

Dudley is awesome i love him... but i don't think theres enough evidence to say hes even close to Crash awesome yet.

I still dont know whos gonna fill in at SF if we let Crash go. Unless Ammo is up to the task... which most people on here dont agree.

I dont know that Jrich would be better at the SF position because he definetly played pretty well from a SG position.

id rather see Ray Jrich Ammo/dudley Sheed Oak than Ray Carroll Jrich Sheed Oak. starting wise at least.


who will be available at #9 that can play the SF best.

[TheBeagle]

On another note, I am a big Dudley fan as well. For all the credit Crash gets as a defender, it is more in the gamble for steals highlight form. Dudley in his first year has already shown more as a lockdown individual defender than Crash has while being one of the Bobcats most sound players on both sides of the ball.

Gerald definitely gets his share of steals via the gamble, and also puts the defense at a disadvantage when he doesn't come up with a steal, but he gets more than a fair share of steals from just knocking the ball out of a player's hand at face-up or when they're dribbling toward the basket. Not to mention the massive weak side blocks he comes up with. JD, as much as I like him, doesn't have the quickness or athleticism to do these things. Plus, JD had plenty of early exits in the 1st and 2nd quarters because of foul trouble from not being able to contain his man either on the perimeter or on the block.

And Mustachio brings up a great point: if the trades goes through, and JRich moves to 3, which some people are championing, then who is going to be our starting 2? Matt Carroll?!?! I love the guy, and I see him playing 20+ minutes per game, but I can't see us contending with him as our starting 2.

[tamburello]

Gerald Wallace+Sean May package is our most trustworthy package I believe. But I doubt Detroit would take it. What about offering the same package to Dallas for Josh Howard? Mavs were reportedly willing to unload him. We remember that last year they tried so hard to acquire Gerald Wallace as well. He may fit in Carlisle's defensive system and be the neo-Artest for him. Also a cured May would be huge for them in big man rotation. If not, he's expiring anyway.

And we would get a very smart, great shooter, and also penetrating SF with an upgraded BBall IQ over Crash. Larry Brown would love it.

[ohara831]

I like Josh, but we cannot do SF for SF. That doesn't help us get our back up PG or a PF. The trade would have to help towards one or both.

Someone I am watching closely now from the Draft is Joe Alexander. I am really liking what I see from him, and he seems to be able to float b/t SF and PF which is a plus as it gives us different floor options. Great athlete, solid BBIQ, and very nice scorer. If a deal is done and Crash is gone, he is not a bad option. We'd have to leave J-Rich at SG, but he did fine last yr playing that most of the time. But if a deal brings us a solid PF which we want, not a bad option to fall back upon, even if the Defense of Crash is lost.

[110oldeast]

If that led to us getting Brandon Bass and something, I would do it. For Josh Howard, no way.

And to the folks who still feel that Wallace is a better defender than Dudley, he has not shown it in terms of INDIVIDUAL defense. He is a strong HELP defender, but ask yourself this. How often has he defended the other teams marquee wing for all the credit we give him defensively? How about when we had the Brevin/Felton backcourt. Why is it that Felton who is 7 inches shorter than Crash that was ALWAYS guarding the marquee wing even when they towered over him?

Crash has the POTENTIAL and REPUTATION of being a lockdown defender but has not shown it anymore than Dudley who has played against elite wings. He also is able to play within the framework of a halfcourt offense more efficiently than Gerald who is a big isolation guy (probably what Larry doesn't like along with the gambling on defense. Gerald makes the spectacular plays that wow the crowd while Dudley makes the simple more subtle plays that many fans miss, but win games (what Larry probably likes).

I will say it again. Crash is best suited for us at the 4. HOWEVER, if he is going to play the 3, the team philosophy needs to be to push it at every opportunity, b/c he is a shooting liability at the wing spot. And unlike a Utah team who starts Ronnie Brewer, we don't have a pair of frontcourt players who can step out 15-17 (Boozer) or to the 3 point line to spread the floor. At somepoint, the Bobcats are going to have to really watch the rest of the league realize that if you cannot spread the floor with multiple players who are above average jumpshooters at their position, it limits your top players abilities to get free, the playmaking of the pg, and the halfcourt offense.

And if anybody can come close to giving me an example that contradicts it, I will give you every positive emoticon out there.

Gerald Wallace+Sean May package is our most trustworthy package I believe. But I doubt Detroit would take it. What about offering the same package to Dallas for Josh Howard? Mavs were reportedly willing to unload him. We remember that last year they tried so hard to acquire Gerald Wallace as well. He may fit in Carlisle's defensive system and be the neo-Artest for him. Also a cured May would be huge for them in big man rotation. If not, he's expiring anyway.

And we would get a very smart, great shooter, and also penetrating SF with an upgraded BBall IQ over Crash. Larry Brown would love it.

[110oldeast]

Jared is a better, more sound defender. Crash is a more exciting, flashier defender and player, which is why he has the following he does.

sorry man i cant go along with that... Crash is a 10 times better defender than Dudley can even dream of being.

Dudley is awesome i love him... but i don't think theres enough evidence to say hes even close to Crash awesome yet.

I still dont know whos gonna fill in at SF if we let Crash go. Unless Ammo is up to the task... which most people on here dont agree.

I dont know that Jrich would be better at the SF position because he definetly played pretty well from a SG position.

id rather see Ray Jrich Ammo/dudley Sheed Oak than Ray Carroll Jrich Sheed Oak. starting wise at least.


who will be available at #9 that can play the SF best.

[spectre]

I'm with Mustachio...Duds doesn't have anywhere near the lateral quickness Crash does which limits his ability to keep guys taking him off the dribble. He is smart so he has a good chance of guessing which way they're going, but Crash is much better at staying in front of his guy when he's motivated.

Not to mention Duds can't jump, which also limits him defensively.

[Keetch]

If we have to give up Crash and May then I wouldn't mind this depth Chart....but I don't want to give up our 9th Pick if either Love or Randolph is still on the board.

Emeka Okafor / Mohammed
Rasheed Wallace / Love or Randolph / Davidson
Jared Dudley / Morrison
Jason Richardson / Carroll
Raymond Felton / 2nd Round combo guard

[Mustachio]

Jared is a better, more sound defender. Crash is a more exciting, flashier defender and player, which is why he has the following he does.

Im all about Jared Dudley man. but when Crash is assigned a mark... he blankets the guy. JD can never do that because of his lack of athletic ability. JD can't dunk the ball how is gonna stop someone from dunking the ball. I would actually say everything you said about JD and Crash except the opposite. As far as help defense goes... JD is good because he has a great BBIQ, and is a great peice in team d. But if Kobe comes into town... Crash is guarding him not JD.

Believe me... we all notice JD's "little things" we raved about him last year because of it. He always has a knack to make the great little play. And im ok with trading Gerald Wallace... but it has to be for a fair or better than fair offer. I dont want to take the downgrade at SF (however small you may think it is) for a trade that snags us a marginal PF.

I can't think of many occasions where Crash "gambling" really hurt us anyway. It may have led to about 10 open 3 pointers a year... but i can live with that if he keeps getting the steals and open court dunks.

I do think Jared Dudley is a great fundamentally sound ball player and has tons of potential to be a glue guy. But he isn't the basketball player Gerald Wallace is right now, and thats not a diss... cause hes got plenty of time to get there.