Memphis - Charlotte

[Mustachio]

wow. I disagree with you. Its not the worst idea ever by far. However, I think we should tread carefully around acquiring a shooting guard here, and I think Crash may have more value then Miller. Moving up 4 spots really doesnt get us too much either, as I am willing to bet Bayless, Mayo, Beasely, and Rose will be off the board. Then what?

dude it absolutely is. its not knocking ohara.. he has plenty of good trades. this one is just so far off from helping us.

think about it. without a guarentee that OJ Mayo is at 5 we are essentially trading away Crash straight up for Mike Miller.

which in short would be the worst thing to ever happen to the Bobcats... and that includes Sam Vincent.

If Mayo is at 5... then you can talk about it. but if your gonna take a gamble on any other of the draftees... your counting on Mike Miller being your starting SG and that would make us the worst defensive team in the NBA. and a joke as Mike Miller isnt even as good as Matt Carroll.

It makes sense with Mayo...because you have someone with starting talent and loads of upside. so you lose Crash, send Rich to the 3 and have Mayo as your 2. that makes a little sense at least.

If Mayo is gone... your losing Crash, sending Rich to the 3 and have Mike Miller as your starting 2. Which i can't even see one good thing about that lineup. its slower, older, terrible defensively, and Jrich shoots plenty of 3s by himself... why lose Crash just so we can see Jrich and Mike Miller launch 3's all game.

its just a bad bad bad terrible no good idea. no hard feelings... its just awful.

[MattD]

well it is not trying to fully address our roster problems, what it does do, is move swish to the three, but with miller as i said before, why are we going to draft oj, so we would have to trade oj for a pf. it could work out with more roster movement, but as a stand alone deal, I agree its not terrific.

Could be like when boston traded and got ray allen, everyone said boo, but when they picked up garnett too, everyone thought it was brilliant to get allen too

[ohara831]

I didn't take it personally. I know most dont like the trade. But I really hope that we somehow utilize Crash in a very effective trade. He and J-Rich simply dont work together as our most effective team. And J-Rich is more valuable to us than Crash. And the injury factor. A solid draft pick and 1 effective trade and we can have a team that competes strongly in the Eastern Conf.

[ziggy]

Ohara its actually an interesting idea. I remember Mike Miller lighting us up pretty good last season. He would definitely spread the floor.

If we got Mayo at #5 I'd do it, If we got Lopez at #5 then I would vomit on myself.

In order to make it happen though, I would need some kind of guarantee that there would be no chance that Mike Miller wears that fruity hair restraint while with the Bobcats

[Mustachio]

I didn't take it personally. I know most dont like the trade. But I really hope that we somehow utilize Crash in a very effective trade. He and J-Rich simply dont work together as our most effective team. And J-Rich is more valuable to us than Crash. And the injury factor. A solid draft pick and 1 effective trade and we can have a team that competes strongly in the Eastern Conf.

i understand the injury concern. it is scary knowing that his high flying circus could come crashing down in a second. but we also can't play scared. if it happens it happens. it could happen to anybody and its the only way you can look at it.

I just think that Crash has been good for us and to us. he wants to play here, and he has an amazing contract. I am all for moving him cause its not like we are beating the world with him or anything... but if we move him, I think we need to get more for him than 4 lottery spots and Mike Miller.

Im ok with moving anyone on the team... or all of them. I just wanna get fair return. and besides. I like the back court look of Ray J and Crash.

lets see where the draft takes us and see what Larry can do. If we can't see improvment... abandon ship and start over.

[TheBeagle]

I didn't take it personally. I know most dont like the trade. But I really hope that we somehow utilize Crash in a very effective trade. He and J-Rich simply dont work together as our most effective team. And J-Rich is more valuable to us than Crash. And the injury factor. A solid draft pick and 1 effective trade and we can have a team that competes strongly in the Eastern Conf.

I went into more detail on the Jack/Frye thread, but still, I just don't get that. I just never saw any evidence that this is the case. Also, I don't see how their style of play is anything as similar as you and others have made it out to be: JRich has developed into a true shooter and a cutter without the ball; Gerald is a slasher who shoots when he's wide open, and looks for JRich as he is cutting towards the basket. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are more similar in styles than JR and GW. If you want to trade Gerald because he's injury prone, and this might be the last chance to get any value for him, that I can understand, but wanting him gone because he and Jason don't work well together....based on last season, I'll never understand that myth.

[ohara831]

Beagle:

I know I am not imagining this. Somewhere near the end of the season, there was a brilliant breakdown done of our team. It was either here or on Queen City Hoops. But it detailed the different lineups, how we scored and defended, and our total efficiency. We were much more efficient and successful with Carroll in the lineup as opposed to Crash. This was with several different lineups to compare, and covered basically the entire season up to that point.

Surely someone else here read that breakdown as I think there was a Thread on it in the past somewhere. How do we explain that fact? There has to be some issue of Crash and J-Rich geling, or the entire team geling with Crash in the lineup and the flow of the game with the lineup. But something was holding us back. Maybe it takes a mind smarter than mine to figure it out, but when something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I tend to think it's a duck.

[ammofan]

Ohara its actually an interesting idea. I remember Mike Miller lighting us up pretty good last season. He would definitely spread the floor.

If we got Mayo at #5 I'd do it, If we got Lopez at #5 then I would vomit on myself.

In order to make it happen though, I would need some kind of guarantee that there would be no chance that Mike Miller wears that fruity hair restraint while with the Bobcats

That is worsethan Morrison's hair!!! LOL

[MattD]

have you seen morrison recently. its no longer the larry bird. its just rediculously long greasy nasty now. I dont know to many people with more disgusting looking hair. That said, he was still knocking down his shoots at the shootaround, so if he can play with it, ill take it

[TheBeagle]

Beagle:

I know I am not imagining this. Somewhere near the end of the season, there was a brilliant breakdown done of our team. It was either here or on Queen City Hoops. But it detailed the different lineups, how we scored and defended, and our total efficiency. We were much more efficient and successful with Carroll in the lineup as opposed to Crash. This was with several different lineups to compare, and covered basically the entire season up to that point.

Surely someone else here read that breakdown as I think there was a Thread on it in the past somewhere. How do we explain that fact? There has to be some issue of Crash and J-Rich geling, or the entire team geling with Crash in the lineup and the flow of the game with the lineup. But something was holding us back. Maybe it takes a mind smarter than mine to figure it out, but when something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I tend to think it's a duck.

I can appreciate what you're saying, but the only numbers that are important in the NBA are Ws and Ls, and we weren't any better without Gerald than with him. I'm skeptical of all sorts of scientific formulae as it is, so that's shaky evidence to me.