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    The bucks, cavs and okc agree to a six player trade. How come we are just sitting around twiddling our thumbs. There were parts in that trade that we could have used to our advantage seeing that they had to add players to make the trade work. I'm not a gm or coach or anything but does anyone think the way Joe Smith played in the playoffs that he could have work with our offense. I read in hoopsworld where we have at least 8 mill. still out there that can be used on multiple players if we chose to. Sure Joe Smith is old but he at least gives us a backup at a position we need badly. I ran a trade thru the trade machine in which we gave up Carrol and Ammo and got back CV and Sasha Pavolivic with those same teams and could have squeezed in DJ White also. The FO has to creative and make something happen at the pf position fast. Time waits for no one and neither does any of these teams which will have there teams set already working out rotations.

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    This is ridiculous. the FO made me mad already by trading Dream Weaver for NJ's 2nd rounder. Now a huge trade is pulled off and the Bobcats find out about it on ESPN.

    And another thing is that the Cavs only gave up damon Jones and Joe Smith and scored a pretty darn good Point guard. That means that Sean may must be able to be traded for Boozer straight up!
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    If Boozer was offered for May straight up, I bet our FO would likely pass on it thinking something funny was going on. Please guys, do something to address our PF position. We cannot rely on May, and Crash will get another concussion if he tries the spot. And our man A.A. is not yet ready for prime time.

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    I was thinking a lot of the same things when I saw the trade on ESPN bottomline. Joe Smith is still a very effective player when given the PT, and he could start early in the season to give Jermareo and Sean time to see who will assume the role by mid December/early January or so, and even then, be a great piece off the bench...he lit us up last January in Charlotte doing just that!

    The problem is, there's just no creativity here with the FO. The fact that the only people acquired during the off season are DJ (really good selection, I'll give them that, but still a rookie PG), Alexis, and "CG" Brown, indicates the "aptitude" of the people in charge.

    It really is disheartening to see a good amount of teams making moves to enhance their team's performance next season, and all we get are a Brown signing and a Weaver trade for a 2nd rounder. Oh well, maybe the coach will, as he likes to say ad nauseum, "coach 'em up" and the players can win in spite of the uninspired FO.
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    Wow, even Joe Smith would've been an upgrade for us. He's no superstar, but he DEFINITELY would've solidified our PF spot. Our front office was caught with their pants down on this one.

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    There 6 players in the trade and 4 of them have expiring contracts. OKC wanted to empty cap space and decrease the logjam at PG after Westbrook's arrival. Bucks wanted to get rid of Williams' huge contract and settled for Ridnour's 2 year left contract. Cavs wanted to win now, so took a huge risk by Williams' hefty contract as I said and threw 2 expirings. Tell me, who could we put in this deal as expiring contracts? What would be the role of Bobcats in such a trade?

    Why you people are so harsh on FO, I really really don't understand it. You somehow find a way to blame them. A totally irrelevant trade happens and you blame them. Take it easy, guys

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    What kills me is that people act like we have an abundance of pieces that another team might want. Anything we have that they might want is a core piece (Felton, Emeka, Crash, J-Rich) that we'd be hard-pressed to replace should we part with (I'm not saying they're untouchable, anyone can be had for the right price but realistically..).

    Beyond them, we have nothing to really offer up.

    We don't have cap room to absorb a contract that a team wants to get rid of, whether it be a player we actually want or a situation where a team is willing to give up enough to make us interested just because they really want to get rid of the contract.

    We don't have expiring contracts to part with. The closest we have are the team options that Morrison and Dudley have next year, or May & Felton being RFA's next year.

    Hell, we don't even have a first round pick to part with because most teams aren't going to take one from us knowing we already owe Denver one.

    I'm not trying to bash what we do have, but if you're a team looking for a trade partner, what exactly do we have that we would realistically part with that would get you to pick up the phone and call us?
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    The point of this particular FO criticism of ours is they need to be creative here. No one said it would be easy to get a legit 4 for us, but these guys are getting paid to do little else but find ways to improve the team, and with some creativity and imagination, something could be done to acquire someone at least in the mold of a Joe Smith. What could they do? I don't know; I'm not an amateur GM, but these guys (MJ, Higgins, coach) are pros, so I'd expect some sort of inspired thinking.

    Also, if you want to take the argument that they don't have the pieces to realistically make a move to get any better talent, then, consequently, they deserve the blame there because it's their job to acquire talent in the first place. We wouldn't have a roster of "non-desireables" outside of our core if we had a competent FO.

    Maybe some of us are being too harsh on the FO, but I think others are too forgiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeagle View Post
    The point of this particular FO criticism of ours is they need to be creative here. No one said it would be easy to get a legit 4 for us, but these guys are getting paid to do little else but find ways to improve the team, and with some creativity and imagination, something could be done to acquire someone at least in the mold of a Joe Smith. What could they do? I don't know; I'm not an amateur GM, but these guys (MJ, Higgins, coach) are pros, so I'd expect some sort of inspired thinking.

    Also, if you want to take the argument that they don't have the pieces to realistically make a move to get any better talent, then, consequently, they deserve the blame there because it's their job to acquire talent in the first place. We wouldn't have a roster of "non-desireables" outside of our core if we had a competent FO.

    Maybe some of us are being too harsh on the FO, but I think others are too forgiving.
    You may be right to some extent about lack of talent and people responsible about this, but this is not the point. We're talking about this particular question. I'm not forgiving towards FO, actually I'm still pissed about DJ Augustin selection and will be, but being so critical over them is somehow unfair. They have done many wrong things, so let's criticize them about these specific issues, not for the things that they have nothing to do.

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    No one is saying to forgive them for past blunders, and I see what you're saying about hoping they get creative and find a way, but getting creative only works if you find a partner that likes it.


 

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