Zach Randolph???

[Slam]

He is a hack, a locker room cancer, a black hole, a potential off court distraction and has a KILLER contract.

I couldn't think of anyone worse to add to our team.

[Chef]

Tam, you are right on about this. I am retarded with the trade machine, but yesterday I was trying to get maxiel from detroit and realized we have no trade-able contracts. How about this...

If NYK want to get rid of him so badly they are willing to take an unfair pick of sorts. What about Randolf for Carrol. I know Matt has a bad contract 5mil/5yrs but the knicks could definitely deal him in feb to a playoff team needing a marksmen for some expirings. I was thinking, Randolf and 2010 #1 for matt, cash and our 2010 #2. However, like I said I am not good with trade particulars.

I HATE HATE HATE Randolf as he could potentially destroy our team, but we do have Larry to manage the ego's and get the team together. I just don't see us as getting anymore than 35 wins without a serious threat at 4. As our lineup is now, we don't have an offensive threat in the front court.

[tamburello]

Chef, we're no longer under salary cap and apparently won't be for a very long time. So we have no capability of making trades without salary balance. Knicks would not want Carroll either, even if they do, this is not possible because of unbalanced contracts. We would need to add some fillers such as Morrison, May etc.

On a sidenote, Randolph's contract is 100 times more tradable than Carroll's, believe me.

[ohara831]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...8~30&te=&cash=

See, it can be done. And NY has the ability and assets to "eat" a few of those contracts to get down to 15. And we sign a respectable backup PG to support DJ and a couple bench players. There is no way on God's green Earth you can say with a straight face that a lineup of DJ, J-RICH, CRASH, RANDOLPH and OKAFOR is not 3x better than anything we currently have on the floor. Grab DICKOU as Backup PG, with DUDLEY, AJINCA, CARROLL, NAZR and a couple FA'S to fill out the team, and we can compete in our Division.

People have to give LB a chance to work with Zach b/c I think he has the ability to work with talented players, even when they have prima donna egos. But as great a Coach as he is, if you give him stinky sub-par players, not even he can make them winners.

[Slam]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...8~30&te=&cash=

There is no way on God's green Earth you can say with a straight face that a lineup of DJ, J-RICH, CRASH, RANDOLPH and OKAFOR is not 3x better than anything we currently have on the floor.

Yes, I can. Quite easliy actually - especially considering the "throw in's" in your trade idea as posted above.

All of these "the sky is falling" posts that we have had to endure over the past 3 weeks just SMACK of hyperbole and knee jerk reaction.

Everyone was kissing the players and coaches arses 4 weeks ago and now a lot want to throw a match on the whole thing or, even worse, make crazy and negative trades that would have lasting negative effects on the team.

Guys need to chill out and give it at LEAST until X-Mas.

[Chef]

the only thing I don't like about that trade is morrison. i think he is going to be better than his rookie year led us to believe. I also think he will be more valuable in feb if we do want to trade him to a playoff contender. we would be trading him when his value is lowest if we deal him now. call me crazy but I think he will eventually be a 17-20 ppg player.

[tamburello]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...8~30&te=&cash=

See, it can be done. And NY has the ability and assets to "eat" a few of those contracts to get down to 15. And we sign a respectable backup PG to support DJ and a couple bench players. There is no way on God's green Earth you can say with a straight face that a lineup of DJ, J-RICH, CRASH, RANDOLPH and OKAFOR is not 3x better than anything we currently have on the floor. Grab DICKOU as Backup PG, with DUDLEY, AJINCA, CARROLL, NAZR and a couple FA'S to fill out the team, and we can compete in our Division.

People have to give LB a chance to work with Zach b/c I think he has the ability to work with talented players, even when they have prima donna egos. But as great a Coach as he is, if you give him stinky sub-par players, not even he can make them winners.

Of course they can, why not after waiving 2 or 3 players' contracts? And why not after we decide to give the half of the team, 4 rotation players, all the rookie contracts? I didn't say this can't be done, I said this requires a lot of procedures and I don't see a reason why they should do.

In any team, Randolph would be a 17-9 player, but he doesn't make any team better because he always compansates his all production on the defensive end by doing nothing. He is nothing but a fantasy league player.

[spectre]

Yes, I can. Quite easliy actually - especially considering the "throw in's" in your trade idea as posted above.

All of these "the sky is falling" posts that we have had to endure over the past 3 weeks just SMACK of hyperbole and knee jerk reaction.

Everyone was kissing the players and coaches arses 4 weeks ago and now a lot want to throw a match on the whole thing or, even worse, make crazy and negative trades that would have lasting negative effects on the team.

Guys need to chill out and give it at LEAST until X-Mas.

Looking at the play by play (didn't catch the game last night) it looks like we started the 4th with DJ, Duds, Nazr, Brown & Ammo and had a 1 pt lead. LB then subbed in Lex for Brown at about the 8 minute mark, then Williams for Nazr at the 7:27 mark. Hammer for Ammo at the 6:15 mark (we're now down by 9 points). Twiggy for Williams at 4:27 (down 10) and then Felton for DJ at 4:12 (down 9). That lineup played til the end and we lost by 4.

If Larry Brown is more concerned with seeing the end of the bench than winning a preseason game then why in the hell are people jumping off the ledge because of the W/L record up til now?

Lord.

[spectre]

And no way should we even THINK about bringing that piece of crap Randolph anywhere near Charlotte except for when we play the unlucky team that has him and his pathetic contract.

[ohara831]

That crap gives you 20 pts and 10 reb.
May is shot and isn't fit to even make a team.
Ammo is a 15 min/game bench player who on a good night gets you 12 pts but on avg will get you 6-8; plus we dont know how the knee will fully heal. You can find them anywhere in the NBA
Davidson will be a 10 min/game guy for Defensive fouling like hack-a-shaq; 4 pts/game would be a luxury from him.
Ray is a PG who is already being outplayed by a Rookie. He will not be with us long term as he won't want to be DJ's backup and we sure aren't going to be paying him $7 mil/yr to back up DJ.; so use him for trade value now.
We can find serviceable backup PG'S without paying Felton type $; we can find LB type players to fill the voids from the other players in the trade.


Guys, look at our team! We are 0-7 and dont look like a team with the most remote chance of conteding. Something must be done.