Moves have to be made

[dav7z]

After last nights game it's got to be clear moves have to be made.
Im not talking stupid moves like the drafting over the last four years.
1st Ever one should be one the trading block. No body has lived up to thair billing.
Any body whos watched any NBA games can tell we have way too many of the same player. Swish, Wallace, Carroll, Morrison. all the same player very little differance.
Augustine , The pick was as bad of a pick as i have ever seen. With ,Lopez, Randolph, Bayless all still on the board. None of us expected Augustine. Though a bad pick he could turn out servicable. Never showing hes any better or worse than Felton.
Mek peaked in college and we just resigned him to 72 milion . The guy can't catch a pass. And he lets point guards block him . I Doubt we could dump him on any one.
We need to start trying to dump contracts like Meks, Swish , Wallace. Felton, Morrison , May, Carroll, Nazz, Augustine , AA,.
After last nights game im ready to blow up this core and start over. I would give up any player on this team to be solid at all five positions.

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Rodriguz, Frye, Outlaw. for Crash

[Ghost Kat]

Can't say i agree 100%, I like the Augustine pick. He's truely a upgrade over Felton. Even in preseason DJ has play'd just as good or bad as Felton a 3rd yr. I honestly don't know why people wanted Lopez. He's slow, doesn't help offense or defense. He's just a big body, he have plenty of those types already ( Sean May ). Going into the draft DJ was thought to be a better PG then Bayless, Was drafted higher then Bayless, and fits into our system better then shoot first Bayless. I'm far more impressed so far by DJ abililty to run this team then i would be with Bayless. What people want is changes right now, I'm with everyone one on winning now. But DJ is a great future PG and Ajinca "might" actually turn into something so maybe this draft wasnt the bust that the Felton/May draft has been so far.

[ammofan]

I would accept that trade for crash....

[dnbman]

There's no panacea to our ills. Realistically, we're not trading our way out of the mess we are in, barring another absurd Memphis-esque trade. However, even then, we don't have a giant, dead weight salary like Kwame's to send out. Our only realistic option for a legit PF is to send out Wallace, which isn't going to net us an equivalent talent.

I think our best bet is to let these guys learn Brown's system, with Brown determining who can get it and who can't. We can then trade pieces for assets who will get it. If we're that bad, we'll have a lottery pick again, hopefully getting us the PF we need to be successful.

Obviously, I'd love to convert Morrison or Carroll into a starting quality PF. If we can make a move like that, we should do it. However, trading most of our other guys for a PF only creates a whole where they were, including Felton, as Augustine has not proven he's any better than Felton. (At least with both of them, we can play the odds on one of them figuring out Brown's system.)

I just don't see many realistic scenarios where we make a move and it improves us immediately without impairing our future. I'd rather play with what we have and make the necessary change later.

Also, as others have stated, we seem to be far more focused on playing Brown's way rather than winning, which is the only thing the last few coaches were focused on, even if it meant undermining the future of the team. Don't get me wrong; we should be focused on winning. However, we want to win a title, not just a pre-season game. As such, we should be playing the way that will win us a title, not just to win 39 games or make some other small improvement over last year just so we can say we weren't as bad as last year.

[spectre]

Also, as others have stated, we seem to be far more focused on playing Brown's way rather than winning, which is the only thing the last few coaches were focused on, even if it meant undermining the future of the team. Don't get me wrong; we should be focused on winning. However, we want to win a title, not just a pre-season game. As such, we should be playing the way that will win us a title, not just to win 39 games or make some other small improvement over last year just so we can say we weren't as bad as last year.

Many might have said it, but nowhere near as well as you just did.

Bravo!

[Alex]

Jesus Christ...

It just never stops with some of you guys.

[BRNC]

I don't think I've seen anyone post that does not agree we need a 4....frankly blowing up a young team does not appeal to me at all...I'd rather watch the season unfold and after 10-12 games I'll have a sense of who on the team can actually play for LB...and after 20 I think we'll all know (or have a fair sense) of the direction the season will take...Learning a new system is not easy and I've been pleased that the players are working hard to learn a new system from an actual coach...some of the players (most of us agree) are wasted space (McMay and Hollins come to mind) and at this point I doubt the absent owner will dump the McMay contract....frankly the Hollins signing still baffles me...with all my previous ramble my point is we already have a young team and I have confidence that LB can/will determine who in this group can play LB ball....

I was also pleased that LB talked MJ out of trading Crash before this time because I still think (and I'm not pushing a Crash trade) that if we end up having to trade for a 4 it will have to be Crash. At this point I'd still like to see what A. Brown will do since he'll have to start instead of McMay....and I'm still looking at other teams cuts....just my opinion but I'm still willing to be patient...but I feel I can be after the agony that was Vincent...

[MattD]

Jesus Christ...

It just never stops with some of you guys.

seriously... its preseason... lets see what happens, let larry brown make his influence felt

[TheBeagle]

There's no panacea to our ills. Realistically, we're not trading our way out of the mess we are in, barring another absurd Memphis-esque trade. However, even then, we don't have a giant, dead weight salary like Kwame's to send out. Our only realistic option for a legit PF is to send out Wallace, which isn't going to net us an equivalent talent.

I think our best bet is to let these guys learn Brown's system, with Brown determining who can get it and who can't. We can then trade pieces for assets who will get it. If we're that bad, we'll have a lottery pick again, hopefully getting us the PF we need to be successful.

Obviously, I'd love to convert Morrison or Carroll into a starting quality PF. If we can make a move like that, we should do it. However, trading most of our other guys for a PF only creates a whole where they were, including Felton, as Augustine has not proven he's any better than Felton. (At least with both of them, we can play the odds on one of them figuring out Brown's system.)

I just don't see many realistic scenarios where we make a move and it improves us immediately without impairing our future. I'd rather play with what we have and make the necessary change later.

Also, as others have stated, we seem to be far more focused on playing Brown's way rather than winning, which is the only thing the last few coaches were focused on, even if it meant undermining the future of the team. Don't get me wrong; we should be focused on winning. However, we want to win a title, not just a pre-season game. As such, we should be playing the way that will win us a title, not just to win 39 games or make some other small improvement over last year just so we can say we weren't as bad as last year.

To echo spectre: excellent post! +1

[110oldeast]

Jason Thompson, Mareese Speights, Anthony Randolph, and on and on were options for us to look at from the 4 spot, but we didn't (and no Augustin has not yet shown himself to be an upgrade over Felton other than the fact that he will be under the rookie scale for the next few years). I will agree that there is no use crying over spoiled milk, but at somepoint we need to address the frontcourt issue.

My problem is the Bobcats always talk about frontcourt DEFENSE, while failing to acknowledge that the greatest issue with our offense is poor FRONTCOURT OFFENSE. Your 4 and 5 guys can't just be out there for the dirty work if you are going to be a halfcourt oriented team.

Offensively, our frontcourt is very limited. That affects every other facet of the offense and its efficiency. Until the FO and whomever else realize this, we won't get over the hump. The PF position is not a fill in position in the NBA anymore like when Jordan played. It is THE marquee position on most teams and for us to keep glossing over it only delays our progress.