Shawn "My knee is fine now, Thank you very much" Livingston
I'm pretty sure there's only a qualifying offer and there are no options involved. If he doesn't accept the offer and goes somewhere else we get nothing.Originally Posted by DanielWheeler
Some else can confirm this, but: At the end of this season, it's the Bobcats prerogative to make Felton a qualifying offer, thus retaining rights to match any other teams offer to Ray as a Restricted Free Agent. It's not for Ray to accept or reject I don't think.
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quote From dav7z107419: Im all for making a smart trade for Felton but damn? A lot act as if hes a bust or just trash , no respect for him at all. The kid has value more than most think on hear . After you guys finish blaming Felton for a ever thing . Whos next??
First it was hang nail Rush that made us loose, then Boggans, on to Premo, To JAKE , to May , and Morrison and now its Felton on the SHIT LIST,Whos next Bell DJ , Diaw , Mek Crash . Some times this list changes from game to game at Bobcatsplanet.
I just want to point out that all the names you listed were and are players who suck. Players that haven't performed or players who should have never been added to this team. The fact that we will call out players is part of the American freedom to say whatever we like. So whoever is next on the shit list will most like deserve to be on that list cuz they are play'n like shit.
Last edited by Ghost Kat; 01-01-2009 at 02:59 PM.
So two years from now DJ will be on your list if not sooner.quote From dav7z107419: Im all for making a smart trade for Felton but damn? A lot act as if hes a bust or just trash , no respect for him at all. The kid has value more than most think on hear . After you guys finish blaming Felton for a ever thing . Whos next
First it was hang nail Rush that made us loose, then Boggans, on to Premo, To JAKE , to May , and Morrison and now its Felton on the SHIT LIST,Whos next Bell DJ , Diaw , Mek Crash . Some times this list changes from game to game at Bobcatsplanet.
I just want to point out that all the names you listed were and are players who suck. Players that haven't performed or players who should have never been added to this team. The fact that we will call out players is part of the American freedom to say whatever we like. So whoever is next on the shit list will most like deserve to be on that list cuz they are play'n like shit.
DJ and Felton score about 13ppg apiece, Right now Felton hands out more assist, twice as many but DJ is a rookie. Felton is a far better defencive player . DJ will be good but not a CP3 type player if thats what you think you getting you in for a disapointment.
I have no problem trading Felton it ony makes sence . Trading him and his very favorable contract could only net big gains . But what gets me is you act as if we taking out the trash . Felts is NBA quility and has nice NBA value . Much more than you think . Traded at the right time he will net us a first and a nice rotation player. I truely hope your expections of DJ are realistic, and you not ready to give him away two for just trash." Like you doing with Felton.
Last edited by dav7z; 01-01-2009 at 04:05 PM.
Agreed. I'm trying not to defend Felton too much because I've done so plenty in the past and, frankly, expected more from him this season. However, as much as he can be criticized for shooting us out of games, we wouldn't be in most of those games if it wasn't for Felton. The same night he got blasted for taking too many shots, he got 8 assists and 8 rebounds.
He's trying to do too much and he's taking too many shots. But he is a great player.
Just the same, I don't think he's going to be successful in Charlotte. I think he needs to be traded to another team where he'll feel more obliged to take a back seat to the other players and slowly rebuild confidence. It's probably best for everyone involved if we trade him by the all-star break.
However, if we're going to trade him, we need to get one of two things:
A. a definite rotation player at the 4 or the 1. These guys don't need to be all-stars, but they can't be gambles.
B. a high reward type young guy who hasn't met expectations (like Anthony Randolph) or a decent pick.
As Dav said, this "take out the trash," "just get rid of him" mentality is absurd as Felton is a good basketball player. We will not get better by losing him. But, we will probably get better if we get a solid player in return.
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U guys are funny... I don't think anyone atleast not lately has gone so far as to Call Felton Trash, But lets face facts Felton is under producing even from last years totals. His choices in late close games have hurt this team lately. He may not be the cause of a certain loss but he sure didn't help any during those games.
To answer your question about DJ being on my shit list...I was a fan of Felton when he came to the NBA just like I am of DJ. I like PG's, But if DJ starts fucking up like Felton has been your damn right he'll be on my shit list. The people trying to defend Feltons Value, I have to give you a standing ovation. Cuz every game Felton shits on your credibility to make any arguements on his behalf. Recently I've slowed down my trashing of Felton and just let his play say everything for me. If it's so absurd to want to get rid of Felton or if it's abusrd for us to trash him for his poor play , Then what are we suppose to say about him? We trash Okafor for being weak downlow, We trash Carroll and Morrison for not hitting shots. I've even trash DJ early on for shooting to much. Felton though, Has pulled atleast 60-75 % of the fans against him...He may have value to other teams but Bobcats fans aren't in agreement with you over his value to this team.
Last edited by Ghost Kat; 01-01-2009 at 06:40 PM.
Sorry I have to disagree, No one upset cuz Felton takes to many shots, It's that he doesn't hit those shots. Plus Felton gets the ball with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. Why they give him the ball knowing he'll probably miss the shot is beyond my education level. Felton plays the SG role which means he can crash the boards alot easier then a PG who has to protect the back court. Since he's supppose to be a PG he should get assisits one of the things he can do well. I can't really agree Felton has keep us in any games lately. He'll shoot 10 times hit two shots and it just so happen one of those shots will be late and either tie the game up or get us close. But lets not to forget all the other open shots he missed thru out the game. Or bad passes, or poor Defense. IMO he plays way to many minutes a game. He looks tired alot, You can see it in his body language.
It must be tough to have a whole team on your list . . According to you we may as well go on and trade DJ too because hes going to, as you put it fuck up some where along the line.
By saying Felton has trade value hurts my credability . What does that say about L Browns credibility by starting Felton. Im guessing we should can Brown too because hes starting Felton. My question to you is if Felton sucks as bad as you make it to be why does Brown start him? ALL so what do you think Felton is worth a 2010 late second round pick ? Just what would you be satified to get for Felton. dnbman and i both think a trade is comimg and in ordor but where we differ from you is we think Felton has some value .
So please tell us with out hurting your credability,how to deal with trash like Felton.
That's why most people tend to think he shoots too much, that he would be a lot better if he was more selective on his shooting. There have been plenty of people who criticize Felton's play simply by saying he shoots too much.
You can argue that Felton takes too many shots or that he makes poor decisions. But you can't blame Felton for getting the ball late in the shot clock and having to put up a shot. Again, there's plenty of reason to criticize Felton, but his teammates passing it to him in a situation that demands a quick decision isn't one of them.Plus Felton gets the ball with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. Why they give him the ball knowing he'll probably miss the shot is beyond my education level.
He gets great rebounds for a guy his size no matter what his position is. There aren't many guards who get as many rebounds as he does, unless you're talking about swingman type guys like Kobe. Give the guy some credit for what he does do right.Felton plays the SG role which means he can crash the boards a lot easier then a PG who has to protect the back court.
I think I'm reading that as you DO think Felton is good at passing the ball and getting assists. I may be mistaken. He's 14th in assists per game, by the way.Since he's supppose to be a PG he should get assisits one of the things he can do well.
He's actually a pretty good defender, and while his TO rate isn't great, it isn't really that bad. Consider that Diaw and Wallace both average 2.3 and Felton averages 2.6 TOs per game.I can't really agree Felton has keep us in any games lately. He'll shoot 10 times hit two shots and it just so happen one of those shots will be late and either tie the game up or get us close. But lets not to forget all the other open shots he missed thru out the game. Or bad passes, or poor Defense. IMO he plays way to many minutes a game. He looks tired alot, You can see it in his body language.
He may be tired, at least mentally. I won't argue that. On back to back nights, he definitely looks a bit slower. However, he offers a lot to help us by attacking and playing with intensity.
My biggest complaint about Felton is that he simply hasn't figured out, at least on a consistent basis, how to use all of his tools in an efficient way. He CAN shoot. He CAN shoot outside. He CAN dangerously attack the rim. He CAN make great passes. However, he CAN'T seem to do any of those things in any kind of regular fashion. To me, the issue is simply Felton learning how to control himself and take advantage of what the other team is giving him. However, I think he feels so much of a burden, warranted or not, to constantly make things happen that he ends up losing more games than he wins for us. That's why I think we need to trade him.
I don't think we need to blame all of our losses on Felton though. Again, you take away Felton and this team loses most of the other games as well.
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As many or more (PG's):
Kidd
Paul
Wade
Rondo
Roy
Ford
Robinson
Westbrook
Mayo
Miller
Duhon
Iverson
Rose
Ridnour
Bibby
Foye
Calderon
Nelson
(then there are a slew that are only .1 -.4 less a game than him, like Davis, Mo Williams, Alston, Stuckey, Harris, Parker, West, Jack, Watson)
Last edited by Slam; 01-01-2009 at 08:30 PM.
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