The Definitive Raymond Felton Thread

[TattoodCats4life]

I just think Brown knows how much more value Felton will have at the trade deadline.

Went it comes down to it, Larry is the boss, and I think even MJ would say the same (at least he better).

[Ghost Kat]

Yeah, he sucks. The stats PROVE it. Let's take him out and shoot him.

No one has said anything about killing him, Your being silly now. I'm not sure if your a Felton Fan or not and it really doesn't matter. We all like Felton and think he's a good person. But his productivity and what He does and doesn't not do for this team is very clear. Yes, Feltons stats prove that he sucks. He can't argue with Shooting %'s and all the other stats thrown out here that show He's a Sub-par guard and thats on a "so called" bad team. If he was better he'd play better, especially on a less talented him.

I can see the Felton defenders are running out of arguements now. The one i have heard the most since joining this site is We don't repect Raymond or his value to the team. My arguement since the start is Raymond has never ever lived up to those expectation, Even if he was over sold as a pure PG and drafted to high at #5. Some have blammed bad Coaching, Now he's got a good coach and still play's the same. Or playing SG, which in this offense only determines who you guard on defense. Since he still leads the team in assists, SG isn't the problem other then Him actually shooting the ball. So please stop making excuses. We agree He's a good person, plays hard, Blah Blah Blah. But open your eye's and actually watch the games...He's not helping this team as much as you keep saying.


BTW: Have i finally said something good enough to get some rep. points, I feel so left out and over matched.

[Marvel]

I've had it with Felton last season i put up with him because of f**kface Sam Vincent but lo and behold he's playing with a HOF coach right now and he still sucks,in fact he's even worse.I hate watching him trying to be the closer in tight games just to see him turn it over or force a bad pass or chuck 3s pisses me right off,and i don't give a damn if he has a line of 22 points,8 assists and 5 rebounds tonight,because sure enough he's going to suck a*s in the next 4-5 games.Give DJ the keys and let's move ahead,FELTON SUCKS.

[dnbman]

I can see the Felton defenders are running out of arguements now. The one i have heard the most since joining this site is We don't repect Raymond or his value to the team. My arguement since the start is Raymond has never ever lived up to those expectation, Even if he was over sold as a pure PG and drafted to high at #5. Some have blammed bad Coaching, Now he's got a good coach and still play's the same. Or playing SG, which in this offense only determines who you guard on defense. Since he still leads the team in assists, SG isn't the problem other then Him actually shooting the ball. So please stop making excuses. We agree He's a good person, plays hard, Blah Blah Blah. But open your eye's and actually watch the games...He's not helping this team as much as you keep saying.


BTW: Have i finally said something good enough to get some rep. points, I feel so left out and over matched.

He's an alright point guard. However, the stats don't show him playing just about every night rather the rest of the team shows up or not.

He needs to get better. That much is plainly obvious. However, he does help us on the court and the stats that Big Slam posted didn't necessarily show that he is a terrible guard. It certainly didn't put him in any great light either.

My biggest complaint is the addition by subtraction notion, which I don't think is true. I do not believe he is adversely affecting our record in the slightest.

Lastly, I just sympathize for the guy because he's been asked to do everything for this team and been repeatedly the focus of criticism after his rookie year, beginning with the team canning Brevin Knight, yet our team has been tragically flawed for its entire existence and remains so now. Yet, everyone wants to say that Felton is a terrible guard who sucks. Nobody is arguing that he's great and doesn't need to improve; clearly he does. I would just like the guy to get the respect he deserves, that he does a lot of things on the court to help us. You can say that and still say he needs to improve his decision making and shooting, just like we can point to flaws in every other player on the team and still respect their positive attributes.

That's really the only thing I care about. The guy is not garbage and many people on here and other boards keep saying he is. Yet, on the RealGM board, he's the second leading Hammer award winner. Bonnell went so far as to say he was the first quarter MVP of the team. Yet, now most people are saying he's garbage.

I've said for the last few pages, we need to trade him. I think his career here has been derailed for both his lack of consistency and the fans wanting a fall guy. He needs to be traded to a team where he doesn't have any preconceived notion of being the man and rebuild his skill set. We need to find a solid rotation guy who is consistent. Hopefully it happens soon, as both Felton and the Bobcats are losing in the current relationship.

[dav7z]

No one has said anything about killing him, Your being silly now. I'm not sure if your a Felton Fan or not and it really doesn't matter. We all like Felton and think he's a good person. But his productivity and what He does and doesn't not do for this team is very clear. Yes, Feltons stats prove that he sucks. He can't argue with Shooting %'s and all the other stats thrown out here that show He's a Sub-par guard and thats on a "so called" bad team. If he was better he'd play better, especially on a less talented him.

I can see the Felton defenders are running out of arguements now. The one i have heard the most since joining this site is We don't repect Raymond or his value to the team. My arguement since the start is Raymond has never ever lived up to those expectation, Even if he was over sold as a pure PG and drafted to high at #5. Some have blammed bad Coaching, Now he's got a good coach and still play's the same. Or playing SG, which in this offense only determines who you guard on defense. Since he still leads the team in assists, SG isn't the problem other then Him actually shooting the ball. So please stop making excuses. We agree He's a good person, plays hard, Blah Blah Blah. But open your eye's and actually watch the games...He's not helping this team as much as you keep saying.


BTW: Have i finally said something good enough to get some rep. points, I feel so left out and over matched.

Your last post you said Fealton was average and i agreeded with that assessment as most of the stats do about Felton. Stat wize hes a lower teir starter or a verry good back up and i agree. But in this post you TRY to describe him as Sub par.
So as you say stop making excuses, I have ask you three times and tell everone how bad his value is. You take very nice stats from Slam and all you can say is the kid sucks. Slam , Spectre , or any other well imformed member on this site will tell you Felton has trade value and come up with somthing better than HE SUCKS.
Its hard to understand your positions when you answer no questions ,such as why Brown starts him . Why he leads the team in assist , Why is he a team co captian,
Your only answer is he sucks. Is he average or sub par? Why is he sub par , is that sub par just starting or even off the beanch. I have no problem starting DJ or even trading Felton . I all so agreeded hes average , but please EXPLAIN he sucks?

[docend24]

The only thing I wan to say to defend Raymond is that he is not as horrible in 4th quarters. Surprisingly. i noticed numerous times he is something like 2-10 at onetime during the game at dfinishes with 5-17 which is sligtly better. And he can defend a bit. Other than that I agree with you that he is undeperfrorming pick and it is not even close.

[Ghost Kat]

Your last post you said Fealton was average and i agreeded with that assessment as most of the stats do about Felton. Stat wize hes a lower teir starter or a verry good back up and i agree. But in this post you TRY to describe him as Sub par.
So as you say stop making excuses, I have ask you three times and tell everone how bad his value is. You take very nice stats from Slam and all you can say is the kid sucks. Slam , Spectre , or any other well imformed member on this site will tell you Felton has trade value and come up with somthing better than HE SUCKS.
Its hard to understand your positions when you answer no questions ,such as why Brown starts him . Why he leads the team in assist , Why is he a team co captian,
Your only answer is he sucks. Is he average or sub par? Why is he sub par , is that sub par just starting or even off the beanch. I have no problem starting DJ or even trading Felton . I all so agreeded hes average , but please EXPLAIN he sucks?

Ok, I'll answer you since you felt to need to address me personally. Felton IMO is an average guard, But since i did say Sub-par you can point to his Shooting % and you find the Sub-par. What good is a basketball player who can't shoot a basketball? Now calling out other post members to bring value to your point is meaningless, Because I'm guessing they agreed with some of the points i made also.
Now I don't know why LB starts him, Thats on LB, he see's way more then We will ever see as fans. Plus it's not like he has alot of other options to replace him with.
Next, Felton should lead the team in assists since he's the damn starting point guard!! Thats what i expect from a starter, Does that somehow increase his value? He's always been a good passing guard since UNC days, But you can't prove i ever said he wasn't a good passer...so...
Next
Felton is a Co-Capt. Because he wanted that leadership role,Plus he is a 3rd year starting PG, they are suppose to be leaders on the court. Does that have anything to do with how well he plays...NO. Isn't Gerald the other Capt. Should i compare Feltons gameplay & stats to Gerald now?
Now I think i answered your questions, If not tell me, I'm sure you will. If i wasn't clear I'll make myself more clear. But let me be clear, If that was an attempt to call me out or to clear Felton from me evil attacks it's not working. That is becuase Felton isn't helping you. In my earlier post i wasn't addressing my comments at anyone in general, But 2nite dav7z, U get the honor.

[Ghost Kat]

Oh, I missed answering why he sucks...IMO if not helping this team win games you suck...that goes for ever single player , coach, FO member, water boy, nacho sales man...EVERYBODY

[SWedd523]

Oh, I missed answering why he sucks...IMO if not helping this team win games you suck...that goes for ever single player , coach, FO member, water boy, nacho sales man...EVERYBODY

So......... you suck?

[Ghost Kat]

So......... you suck?

Doesn't that mean you suck too?
Still want to smile?

I don't remember listing fans since we don't really control anything. We just cheer on the team. We don't bring in players, we don't call plays, We don't set Rotations, or ticket prices. Most of us can't even go to the games, So no i don't help the team win anything.. But neither do you.