Raymond Felton - Game winning shots

[spectre]

Again, it depends on what you're talking about. In the ORL game we had about 6-8 seconds to get the ball in, go the length of the court and then get a shot off. The times that Felton did make the pass (at least one to Boris) no shot got off at all.

IMO that screamed for a TO.

If on the other hand you're talking 20-24 seconds and we're able to actually set up with Felton at the top dribbling the clock down...then absolutely, and he has done that more lately too.

It all boils down to LB though. If something is done and is oft repeated it has to have his blessing. We repeatedly ISO Felton because no doubt LB wants the advantage he gets by getting past the opposing guard.

You might not like it...hell, I don't necessarily like it. That's what Larry Brown wants though, and in the end that's good enough for me.

[spectre]

...any plays that would make what we will do less predictable (to the other team) would be a nice change and take pressure off Ray...and that is a coaching decision...

Personally I think LB rides Felton way too much, esp. since he has a decent backup finally. The way things are now I think fatigue (someone mentioned that earlier...you BRNC?) plays a factor most times.

[110oldeast]

My purpose for using a lineup with multiple shooters on the wing is that it negates help defense much more. This is why I like Crash as the down low around the basket option (until he masters the corner 3 a la Bruce Browen--screw other jumpers--just get this one down) to finish or offensive board and 2 shooters in DJ, Vlad, Raja on the wing.

A concept that the Bobcats in the past have not understood about spacing is that it does not just magically occur by standing in a position. It occurs, b/c teams respect the perimeter shooting of your people outside of the offense initiator (it's why NO has always built around Paul w/ shooters, even bringing in Posey as their tough defender, b.c he can also shoot). It's why Nash was so dominant with D'Antoni's lineups and less so when they got bigger with less range. It's why the Lakers and Cavs are always trying to get lineups in with multiple shooters around Bron and Kobe so that teams have to pay when they help. It's why Orlando builds perimeter shooting around Howard so he can go one on one.

When you can spread the floor as I mentioned, it encourages the iniatiator to penetrate, b/c he is not just going to end up in traffic surrounded by help defense without viable kickout options. It means you either get something going to the hoop or a wide open shot from you strong shooters. Conversely, if you run a 1-4 clearout set with 1 shooter on the wing, you are limiting your initiator to the type of 17 foot pullup shot as the defense can easily help.

With the type of help that the current NBA allows (zone), this is a must.

[Slam]

Again, it depends on what you're talking about. In the ORL game we had about 6-8 seconds to get the ball in, go the length of the court and then get a shot off. The times that Felton did make the pass (at least one to Boris) no shot got off at all.

I'm not talking about an isolated incident. I'm talking over and over and over again. It's like groundhog day.

If it wasn't an issue, it wouldn't be a continual discussion.

Maybe Felts isn't the problem? Maybe it's LB? If it is though, I'd hope that Felts would say to him "maybe we should try something else coach cause this aint working!!".

Then again, it's not like this has only happened under LB. It's happened every year Felts has been with the Bobcats.

[spectre]

I'm not talking about an isolated incident. I'm talking over and over and over again. It's like groundhog day.

If it wasn't an issue, it wouldn't be a continual discussion.

Maybe Felts isn't the problem? Maybe it's LB? If it is though, I'd hope that Felts would say to him "maybe we should try something else coach cause this aint working!!".

Then again, it's not like this has only happened under LB. It's happened every year Felts has been with the Bobcats.

But we're talking different scenarios. 8 seconds left is a big difference from 24 seconds left.

"Maybe" Felton isn't the problem? If Felton was going "commando" on his own whim do you really think LB would put up with that?

Again, refer to who can/can't get their own shot off. Maybe there's a reason it's Felton who takes those shots?

[Slam]

A concept that the Bobcats in the past have not understood about spacing is that it does not just magically occur by standing in a position.

We are a smarter team now with more trust in each other - which is a huge help.

[BRNC]

Personally I think LB rides Felton way too much, esp. since he has a decent backup finally. The way things are now I think fatigue (someone mentioned that earlier...you BRNC?) plays a factor most times.

I did and it really bothers me because we do have a legit back-up at this point...in many games Ray just looks too damned tired...I really don't understand LB not giving him some rest at the end of the third/start of the fourth...

[Slam]

Again, refer to who can/can't get their own shot off. Maybe there's a reason it's Felton who takes those shots?

All of the pro Felts guys stress he is a pass 1st PG. That being the case, it shouldn't take for others to get their own shots off.

Personally, I would like for Felts to get them their shot rather than taking it himself, regardless of who's idea it is for him to do so.

[spectre]

All of the pro Felts guys stress he is a pass 1st PG. That being the case, it shouldn't take for others to get their own shots off.

Personally, I would like for Felts to get them their shot rather than taking it himself, regardless of who's idea it is for him to do so.

You've seen him for going on 4 years now...is it really necessary to bring up the "pro Felts guys"?

Either way, I think we've all said the same thing (we'd rather see a "play" vs. one on one ISO's). But IF an ISO is the choice of LB then Felton is most likely the best option we have.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Either way, I think we've all said the same thing (we'd rather see a "play" vs. one on one ISO's). But IF an ISO is the choice of LB then Felton is most likely the best option we have.

exactly, and that should be the bottom line.