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    how can you be skeptical of the DJ Augustine pick one year and then get pissed that Jrue Holliday isnt the pick the next? If we didn't need PG depth then, we certainly dont need it now.

    I mean you want a third string PG over a guy that can come in and have an impact and at the very least be a role player for years to come?
    This wasnt the best draft class ever. you act as if getting something safe is a bad thing. On a team that gambled on Adam Morrison and Sean May and failed miserably... Ill take the safe bet for a couple years thanks. We need some production out of our draft picks for a change and picking a still developing 3rd string point guard just makes zero sense.

    With what was available the Bobcats absolutely made the best decision they could have made last night. Only time will tell if it turns out to be the correct decision.

    Jesus I hope Psycho T's nasal cavity has healed up better than the scars it left on the Tarheel nation.

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    I pulled these from Adi's (Bleacher Report) (sorry...thought it was Bilas...will keep looking) top 30 and I'm satisfied with this draft...the one thing I did not want (a reach that "might" pan out) did not happen...I'll take dull for once if it gets us in the playoffs...

    13. Derrick Brown - SF - Xavier
    Brown is an intriguing player who can play shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, defend well at each position, and hit the outside shot. He has great athleticism and can be a great fit for a team that needs a player to take the pressure off some of its stars, both on offense and defense. He is one of the players that contributes to a winning franchise and does things that don't always show up in the stats.
    Player Comparison: James Posey



    17. Gerald Henderson - SG - Duke
    Henderson is an athletic wing who can score both inside and outside. He has improved as a scorer and defender in his junior season and will prove to be a solid shooting guard for a team that needs him. He can be inconsistent and will continue to shoot even when he doesn't hit, but a team like Charlotte could really use him.
    Player Comparison: John Salmons


    18. Jrue Holiday - PG/SG - UCLA
    Holiday is flying up the draft boards like hotcakes (yeah, that's right). Some mocks have him going as high to No. 4 to Sacramento, but I'm not buying the hype.
    I am a man, and I will stand up for what is right, and I will speak my mind, like a man would. Holiday is going to struggle early in his career—this is almost a given.
    An undersized shooting guard, whatever team takes him is going to make an attempt to convert him to point. When a team accepts that he is a scoring two-guard in a point guard's body, then he may blossom into a good role player.
    Player Comparison: Jason Terry
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    Good find BRNC love the Posey comparison I was thinking a poor Tayshaun Prince.

    Hendo reminds me of Courtney Lee
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    Thanks eaton...I was really surprised he had Brown rated so highly...how did this guy drop to us at #40...but after reading some of the evaluations of our draft I'm very pleased and moving it up to an A- from a B-...it looks like we had a solid draft for once...

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    No, the problem with Ammo and May is that they WERE safe picks. The thinking with Ammo was he will be the next great white hope and that'll put fannies in the seats in the Arena (and, while it didn't spike attendance greatly, he always was a popular player for the masses), and May was coming of a MOP performance in the '05 tourney playing for Charlotte's favorite university, Chapel Hill, which would likewise put fannies in the stands and generate interest.

    Going with, say, Roy in '06 would've been risky since he didn't come to workout for us, and he wasn't the great white hope that FO thought was wanted, and feared not getting would result in a backlash. Similarly, going with Granger in '05 would've been risky because of injury issues.

    Mustachio, I love you, man, and this isn't directed at you at all, it's directed at the concept, which is synonymous was mediocrity, but fuck the "safe pick."

    Also, Jrue wouldn't be 3rd string PG; he'd spell 2 as well, and having a PG mentality would work well setting up the sweet-shooting DJ.

    Like you say, time will tell, and let's hope I'm wrong (I'm very happy, actually that I'm in the very small minority in disliking the pick) about twelve's limitations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNC View Post
    Thanks eaton...I was really surprised he had Brown rated so highly...how did this guy drop to us at #40...but after reading some of the evaluations of our draft I'm very pleased and moving it up to an A- from a B-...it looks like we had a solid draft for once...
    agreed 100% I wish we had a summer league team so we could see these guys earlier.
    RIP Michael Jackson & Steve McNair

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeagle View Post
    No, the problem with Ammo and May is that they WERE safe picks. The thinking with Ammo was he will be the next great white hope and that'll put fannies in the seats in the Arena (and, while it didn't spike attendance greatly, he always was a popular player for the masses), and May was coming of a MOP performance in the '05 tourney playing for Charlotte's favorite university, Chapel Hill, which would likewise put fannies in the stands and generate interest.

    Going with, say, Roy in '06 would've been risky since he didn't come to workout for us, and he wasn't the great white hope that FO thought was wanted, and feared not getting would result in a backlash. Similarly, going with Granger in '05 would've been risky because of injury issues.

    Mustachio, I love you, man, and this isn't directed at you at all, it's directed at the concept, which is synonymous was mediocrity, but fuck the "safe pick."

    Also, Jrue wouldn't be 3rd string PG; he'd spell 2 as well, and having a PG mentality would work well setting up the sweet-shooting DJ.

    Like you say, time will tell, and let's hope I'm wrong (I'm very happy, actually that I'm in the very small minority in disliking the pick) about twelve's limitations.
    I didn't see Ammo as a safe pick at all. In fact, when we picked him, I felt like we just threw a 60 yard hail-mary. Many people thought Adam wouldn't succeed, but if he did, he would be an electrifying talent. Clearly, he hasn't succeeded.

    I don't think Ammo or Ajinca were safe, and some suggest that DJ was a reach. I don't know; right now, I'm unexcited but happy about having what seems to be a valuable two guard on a team that has only had two real shooting guards ever: Richardson and Bell.

    I know you were big on Holiday, but I think he is too much of an unknown. A guy like Henderson will give our time a much more reliable player and allow them to develop better as well. In this case, I'm definitely happy with the safe pick.
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    Welcome, Gerald. NOW you're official:


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    Is part of the problem for the Hendo bashers that he is a "boring" player? He's not a great interview because he is well spoken and thoughtful when he delivers what he wants to say? There isn't a lot of glitz and glamor to his game? He's not the "sexy" pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeagle View Post
    No, the problem with Ammo and May is that they WERE safe picks. The thinking with Ammo was he will be the next great white hope and that'll put fannies in the seats in the Arena (and, while it didn't spike attendance greatly, he always was a popular player for the masses), and May was coming of a MOP performance in the '05 tourney playing for Charlotte's favorite university, Chapel Hill, which would likewise put fannies in the stands and generate interest.

    Going with, say, Roy in '06 would've been risky since he didn't come to workout for us, and he wasn't the great white hope that FO thought was wanted, and feared not getting would result in a backlash. Similarly, going with Granger in '05 would've been risky because of injury issues.

    Mustachio, I love you, man, and this isn't directed at you at all, it's directed at the concept, which is synonymous was mediocrity, but fuck the "safe pick."

    Also, Jrue wouldn't be 3rd string PG; he'd spell 2 as well, and having a PG mentality would work well setting up the sweet-shooting DJ.

    Like you say, time will tell, and let's hope I'm wrong (I'm very happy, actually that I'm in the very small minority in disliking the pick) about twelve's limitations.



    I was going to say the same Beagle... Both Ammo and May WERE "safe picks" at that time of their drafting. The biggest problem is the FO don't seem willing to me to go get their guy. Every year we settle for who happens to fall to us or the leftovers. This seems to happen every draft. I understand being smart and not giving up everything for a pick but damn... we let others dictate to us what our team is instead of going and getting our guys and it happens far too often.

    As far as Henderson at 12 I don't think its horrible as he can be a valid piece but as Beagle points out he will pretty much always be a role player type and his ceiling for improvement isn't high but I guess for standing pat at 12 in this draft that's about all you could ask for.


 

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