New York Knicks at Charlotte Bobcats 10/30

[teej]

Okafor hasn't needed time in NO's to gel, so why should I sit back and keep my mouth shut when obviously Chandler isn't playing well?

A lot of people on here made bold predictions on what Chandler would bring to the table that Okafor couldn't, and bashed Okafor while in the process of doing that.

So far, what many people said would happen regarding Chandler hasn't come close to happening. So, I do fill the need to point it out.

Anyway, much needed win for the 'cats!

You do understand that TC just started running for the first time in months a few weeks ago, and didn't have any time on the court (in practice or game) until the fianl week of the preseason? He is extremely rusty and will need time to get back in shape. Mek was in an entirely different scenario where he wasn't truly hurt, just another one of his bitch injuries, and was in perfect health upon returning, as he always was here. Also, seeing as how we have the same record as NOLA, I don't really se anything other than maybe it hurt them and helped us? Really, why don't you wait and see before you open your fucking mouth, like the rest of us are watching and waiting.

And don't tell me you wouldn't have done everything differently either. And what if Vladi turns into an all-star? Or Lopez becomes a bust (Sean May had a great first year, too). Seriously, give it time. knee-jerking only hurts you, bud.

[BobcatsAllDay]

My hats off to Raymond Felton. He refused to lose tonight. He is a warrior and we're not the same team when he is off the floor. Stevie played much better tonight and Derrick needs more PT. Hopefully DJ's 2nd half play can carryover to the next game. I have seen enough Bobcat games to know take the win anyway it comes.

[davcbow]

You do understand that TC just started running for the first time in months a few weeks ago, and didn't have any time on the court (in practice or game) until the fianl week of the preseason? He is extremely rusty and will need time to get back in shape. Mek was in an entirely different scenario where he wasn't truly hurt, just another one of his bitch injuries, and was in perfect health upon returning, as he always was here. Also, seeing as how we have the same record as NOLA, I don't really se anything other than maybe it hurt them and helped us? Really, why don't you wait and see before you open your fucking mouth, like the rest of us are watching and waiting.

And don't tell me you wouldn't have done everything differently either. And what if Vladi turns into an all-star? Or Lopez becomes a bust (Sean May had a great first year, too). Seriously, give it time. knee-jerking only hurts you, bud.

woof woof woof woof woof lol I hear ya teej lol

[TheBeagle]

My hats off to Raymond Felton. He refused to lose tonight. He is a warrior and we're not the same team when he is off the floor. Stevie played much better tonight and Derrick needs more PT. Hopefully DJ's 2nd half play can carryover to the next game. I have seen enough Bobcat games to know take the win anyway it comes.

Couldn't recap it any better. I have to say, though, I'm a bit like ohara in that it was a win in the standings (which is most important), but it was almost like a moral defeat in the way we melted down in the 4th and did our best impression of the previous game, both offensively and defensively. But, really, enough of that; we won, and it's great to be at .500, no matter how exhausting it was!

Now on to the good stuff, Natasha and Jordan brough their A games tonight (boy, it's good to have Jordan back!!!). Glad to have my buttocks reaquainted with my 3rd favorite seat in the world: (1. Recliner in den 2. Toilet) good ol' 1 in 215 J. Ah, I sure did miss it.....

And no, I didn't boo Bobby when he was introduced at center court tonight before the festivities.....didn't applaud, but didn't boo, though I probably should've.

Anyway, I'm bushed; let's do it to it tomorrow and go over .500 for the first time since the Ham Biscuit era?!?!?! Believe it or not, it's true

[Walt Cronkite]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

[davcbow]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

Man I agree with a lot of what you say, not everything but a lot of it. Some folks dont do well with point counterpoint and call names, so dont worry about it (sticks and stones), we are all Bobcat fans and we all pull for the same team....

[dnbman]

Raymond Felton is a machine. With the way we're currently constructed, the play of our point guards will likely be the key to whether we win or lose night in and night out.

I was happier with Chandler's performance tonight. I hope as he gets to 100% he fouls less on defense, but I'm afraid that the offensive fouls are part of his nature (since they're a career trend). I don't think his fouling out of the game was the turning point as others have suggested. When he left in the first quarter (4:22 left), we were +8. The team was +12 when he returned to start the 2nd half of the game. For 16:22 of game time we not only played even with the Knicks, we added 4 points to the differential.

Tyson had a nice 3rd quarter, playing all but 1:53 of it's entirety. The team was +1 over this span, increasing it's differential over the Knicks to 13. When he returned with 9:30 left in the 4th, this had been increased upon again as the differential was now 14. He would foul out 42 seconds later, so I don't think much can be learned from his -1 affect during this time.

Anyway, I expect this post to be dismissed, since I've developed the reputation as a number crunching troll, but it seems to me that Chandler's affect on the team should still be "", like it was after the Boston game. I think the biggest change in the game was that the Knicks could not score in the first quarter, period, and that Radmanovic should not play for 37 minutes. With the Knicks playing Lee at center with 4 others on the court to spread the floor, I guess LB thought Diaw and Vlad were our best options against that? Seems to me that we could've put one of the centers on Lee while Diaw rested and not played Radmanovic as much. It's possible that not playing either of the centers instead of Radmanovic, but instead, ANYONE ELSE (Henderson/Brown especially) for a larger percentage of his floor time would've yielded positive enough results to win this one in regulation.

I agree with most of this too. In the first half, Brown played a lot of the rotation, keeping fresh, athletic legs in the game. I guess he just doesn't trust those guys yet, because he didn't pay them much in the second half and OT, when we really needed to rest guys. While I was definitely surprised we didn't try Ajinca, Brown or Nazr at the C late in the game, I also was shocked we didn't put Hendo in at times, especially when DJ wasn't being that effective.

Also, I was surprised that for much of the time when DJ and Felton were playing, DJ was the central ball handler and Felton was playing off the ball. Granted, a lot of times they just switched, with Felton reinitiating at the top. However, with DJ's shooting abilities, I would just expect that he play off the ball and try to get open more. Felton's shooting abilities are underrated, but he still doesn't have the outside stroke that DJ has.

As for TC, I think as he gets in better shape and the guys get used to playing together, we'll be fine. Our guys will get him the ball in better positions, hopefully allowing him to make less offensive fouls. The smoother he plays on the offensive end, the less erratic he'll play on the defensive end as well. Plus, when guys aren't up to full speed, they gamble when they ordinarily wouldn't. So, while he may be foul prone, I think we'll get a lot more than 17 minutes or so of play out of him.

[spectre]

LB was mixing up the PG duties. During one stretch where Felton sat Boris was bringing up the ball and DJ was already down coming off screens.

I know everyone looks at shooting, but personally the biggest concern for me in respect to DJ was that penetration defense. Duhon continually got around him as well as Nate the times he was on him to get into the paint.

Now I have a lot of respect for Duhon (kid is smart), but he really needs to tighten that up.

TC? Eh, a little better. The stream took the opportunity to drag right when he fumbled the ball when he was all alone under the basket so I was probably lucky in that one...and Felton did get a "Chris Paul alley to TC" once. Patience is going to be the key here.

Hulk Jr...heh, this is obviously going to be a love-hate relationship!

[BobcatsAllDay]

I know everyone looks at shooting, but personally the biggest concern for me in respect to DJ was that penetration defense. Duhon continually got around him as well as Nate the times he was on him to get into the paint.

Now I have a lot of respect for Duhon (kid is smart), but he really needs to tighten that up.

I agree, and I believe this will be DJ's biggest hurdle under LB. Once he finds a way to get better on the defensive end or at least hide his weakness the PG duties may be split down the middle w/ Ray. As of today, Ray is by far the better defender.

[spectre]

When we're full strength and have time to gel we'll be able to cover for it better, and tho I questioned him last year for the same thing I think he was better at it then than now. Just like the others I think he'll get better at it with some time.

As big a plus as it is for any PG to play under LB I think it's actually hindering DJ somewhat. IMO he's still playing very conservative offensively...and that very well could be that he's nervous about LB getting on his ass.

But that's ok. He'll have another 25-30 game soon and really that's what we need more from him right now.