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Flip Murray is a ballhog
He lost us the game tonight. Every time I've seen him play with us, whether it was preseason or reg season, he has been a huge ballhog the whole time hes been on the floor. Luckily Friday night he actually made some of the stupid shots he threw up. Tonight he definitely missed those shots. I counted at least six straight times in the third quarter we gave him the ball he tried to score and it lead to a terrible decision resulting in a bulls rebound and score. The end of the game he took two bad shots. Larry Brown took RAJA BELL OUT and put flip in at the end of the game. WTF?
I couldnt believe it. Oh well I know its early but we play Orlando tuesday and this craps not gonna fly. okay theres my rant for the night.
and what about Felton?
you should really get a brace for that knee jerk you have there
I don't think he's a ballhog, but he's CLEARLY looking to score when he has the ball. The last two three point shots, I think he was doing what he was supposed to do, even if the second shot was terrible.
I'm guessing Flip has the green light to score. One thing I do like is his swagger on the court. He looks confidant and can score in a variety of ways. (He looked to post his man a few times last night.) He just needs to learn to work with his teammates more and play within the flow of the game, which I'm guessing Larry Brown will keep stressing with him.
SOMEONE will pay for THIS!
Heh...ballhog is perhaps too strong, but he's going to (attempt to) get his. He's negative to team ball (player/ball movement) and he's not a strong defender. If he's not hitting he's a below average player. That's the thing tho with Flip; some days he'll help and others not so much.
There's a reason he's not stayed with any team very long...and also why he's never pulled a good (by NBA standards) contract. Still rather have him than not though...esp. at 2 per.
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We had the comments about "no one willing to take the last shot" so it always ends up in Rays hands which is why he was the ballhog...
Flip did not loose this game for us...inability of TC and Diaw to even box out Noah (as in too damn many easy put backs) lost the game...untimely turn overs that kill momentum again lost this game...no one hitting a shot for what 4-5 minutes lost this game...
The guy that has to take the last shot (because other guys are scared to) is not the guy that "lost" the game...
...and since LB seemed to be drawing up the play during the time out I guess that really makes him the "ballhog" and the real reason we "lost" the game...
Last edited by BRNC; 11-08-2009 at 09:33 AM. Reason: addition...
Three things hurt us during this game.
1. to many guys shooting a bad %. We shot 39% as a team the bulls shot 50% Felton Wallace Flip and Bell all were like in the 3-12 range. DJ didn't help with his 0-3
2. Not boxing out on the boards. TC did his part. Vlad, Diaw, and Ajinca during the short time he played made very little effort to get a body on Noah. Vlad was the worst he would just turn around an look for the rebound and not even pay attention to Noah. Not going to cut it.
3. The refs were not calling many fouls in this game. At the end of the game the bobcats were trying to drive the ball to the basket and not settle for a jumper. They were getting fouled and not getting the calls which you are not always going to get on the road. The last drive by felton where he threw it up and chandler almost dunked it but it was to high.....well when they showed the replay Noah had an arm stuck out across feltons chest to impeed his progress to the basket, obvious foul. The next possession Bell tried to drive to the basket and ended up passing it to the opposite corner. I didn't see that one as well but after the drive he was screaming for a foul.
The refs like to see the team win that hits there shots that way the don't feel like they decided the game.
I actually thought a pivitol point in the game was when LB subbed out for Flip in the 2nd quarter, I think, after he had made 3 shots and was clearly in a groove. I thought LB should have left him in while he was hot. He took him out and he never found his rhythm again after that. Scorers try to score. It's what they do and we need more of that. Flip is a proven scorer so I have no problem with him taking shots.
I was a little surprised by that too. He looked like he was really feeling it and then LB took him out. Didn't notice anything he was/n't doing to be removed.Originally Posted by Demon DeaCat
SOMEONE will pay for THIS!
12 shots in 14 minutes is a ton, but he's not a ballhog. We all know the Flip can score, but I don't think some realize how valuable he was to the Hawks last season. With him on the court, the Hawks were +7.6. Offensively and defensively, the Hawks were better with him on the court.
If these last few years have shown anything, it's that our usual leading scorer will NOT come up big when the game's on the line. He never will, either. Per 82games.com, last season Wallace averaged 11.7 PPG per 48 minutes of clutch time on 35.5% shooting. That's awful, but hardly surprising.
"(4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points)" -- that's the qualification used for a clutch situation.
Every single one of our starters last season was SIGNIFICANTLY better than Wallace, so it really doesn't make sense why he disappears in those moments. Felton scores a lot in those situations (the most on our team), but he doesn't do it efficiently enough. Surprisingly, Okafor and Bell were the most effective in those moments, but neither creates their own shot nearly as much as Felton.
Feel-o-meter wise, Flip seems most fit to take over in those moments, and his numbers from a season ago back it up. I, for one, would like to see him on the court during those moments.
Last edited by KT#20; 11-08-2009 at 11:55 AM.
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