DJ in Browns dog house

[dav7z]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bob...y/1052631.html



Brown hasn't seemed happy all year with DJ . Now DJ is not producing and has made his way to Browns Dog house . If the team don,t turn things around im sure DJ will be a piece Brown is ready to move

[ohara831]

Hey LB, you drafted him. Over Lopez I might add. You fix it.

[spectre]

How did you relate that article to DJ? I took Bonnell's mentioning DJ as sort of a coincidence, not necessarily the brunt of LB's anger right now.

The starters laid the egg in the 3rd the other night, not the bench guys. I'll certainly agree that the bench hasn't stepped up...but Wednesday night wasn't their fault.

I didn't see the damn game, but since Gordon & CV are the guys who smoked us wouldn't the logical choices for criticism be Boris & Flip?

[dav7z]

Brown said in the artical . Hes not getting to his spots, Hes not doing a good job on the pick and role . He can't get his shot off because of the pick and role,


Rick saying hes like 3 for what ever in his last 30+ mins of play . And the last three games he hasn't produced over 6 points . One game producing nothing.
Im not taking a shot at DJ . Im just saying i don't think Brown isn't happy with DJ right now.

I agree with you about Boris and the starters . But Brown seems to think DJ is not playing like he could.

[BRNC]

I think at this point...taking into consideration how some of the talent we've traded has produced for other teams...LB really needs to start looking at himself as a major part of the problem...and figure out how to be part of the solution...it is not all on the players...

LB assembled and drafted most of these players...a guy that de has consistently had in his "doghouse" (Nazzy) is one of the few players producing...this is not all on the players in my book...but I do see some chemistry issues and I think those get worse (with every lose) not better...and I put that on LB also...

[spectre]

I think at this point...taking into consideration how some of the talent we've traded has produced for other teams...LB really needs to start looking at himself as a major part of the problem...and figure out how to be part of the solution...it is not all on the players...

LB assembled and drafted most of these players...a guy that de has consistently had in his "doghouse" (Nazzy) is one of the few players producing...this is not all on the players in my book...but I do see some chemistry issues and I think those get worse (with every lose) not better...and I put that on LB also...

To be fair, LB was pretty restricted by what he had when he came here and his primary goal was to get this team into the playoffs. Based off of our initial play last season that wasn't going to happen.

For example: he traded for Vlad, but wasn't that due to any return being limited when Ammo...who'd just had his option picked up...is your primary trade bait?

It certainly looked like both he and Jordan can be blamed for Gana however...but again no one wanted Hammer's contract and it wasn't working out for him.

[BRNC]

spectre...my point is LB was instrumental in those trades for those players...no one wanted Hammers contract but I'll tell you this...I'd rather have his (with him riding the bench) than Diops (with him riding the bench)...that cut about 3 million we would have had this summer to sign a "real" player...and Vlad has always been a shooter...how exactly did that fit with LBs philosophy...?

I'm not saying these are bad guys...nor am I saying Raja and Diaw are "bad guys"...but of the four Raja is the only one that fits as an LB player...so why the heck were these trades even made? We've gotten older with two more (the best I can say) mediocre contracts...and a 6-7 guy (and I know this in my opinion) that makes nine million...and you actually think we are any closer...

We may get a "short term" playoff out of this...my point is we could have done better...and I mean since LB has been here...our last draft was solid (as solid as I thought it could be)...and we could have had some cap money to sign a player (or trade for when other teams wanted to dump) that saw themselves as the "piece" wanting to be here...instead we have a team that really does not "fit" together...and yes...I blame LB for that...

We needed to hire a GM that can actually make GM decisions...and maybe that is happening...I don't know...I felt good about our last draft and I still feel good about...and for the GM...I'll know after we make our first (and I predict only) trade this year as to how the team is going to go...

This is the chat link if you want to read it...we were mentioned twice and neither is flattering...

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/29342



[Quote]Have you noticed how great The Suns bench is so far? I mean, this and the rebounding is ALL we Suns fans wanted in the SSOL days.
John Hollinger (12:40 PM)




To expand on this last point, Jared Dudley was HUGE in the Philly game. Enormous. Basically won the game for them. His inclusion as a throw-in to the Richardson deal is yet another reason why the Bobcats need to clean house.[Quote]


This is a quote from an answer Hollinger had on his blog from a Suns fan...my point is everyone in our organization has to be held accountable...and that includes LB...I do not want this to appear as a focus on him...it is not...but everyone Players, FO, and Coaches are responsible for this...not just the players....

[spectre]

Morrison couldn't fill his role and we needed someone like him. What other deal could we have made for a shooter when Ammo was the prime trade bait?

Boris was brought in because we had NO starting PF and we needed more passing in the starting group. I know you don't care for him, but he fit the criteria for what we needed.

Thank May for that one.

I don't think anyone would argue that we've gotten less than full value in every trade this franchise has made...but there was definitely a need for the skill sets.

[BRNC]

spectre...my like/dislike of Diaw means nothing here...value does...and my dislike of Diaw for our team is I knew he was not an LB type player and that it would not work...Diaw has flaws that LB can't stand period...Diaw is a much more productive player in an up-tempo offense that does not depend on defense...he has many positives but my gripe with him (always has been always will be until it changes) is he does not take conditioning seriously, he takes games off, and he thinks he is a starter...he is a better 6-7 guy not a starter...and that is my opinion...

What I think has happened is this:

He played pretty good when he got here because he had something to prove...but he also started talking "smack" to AA about playing time and that has not helped AAs attitude...he also went to the French national team not in shape and got injured...and wants to play "his style" (up-tempo), and continues to make (attempt) to make passes he should not attempt and all these things have pissed off LB...

I've been watching the body language of other players (Felts and Crash in particular) towards Diaw and it is not good...I think Ray and Crash but into what LB wants to do...I can't say the same for Diaw...I'm not in any way saying Diaw is a horrible player because he has his positives...but he is not a fit with LB...and I will add that someone (MJ and or Higgins) have told LB very clearly that if you want him out of here only say nice things about him...and to LBs credit he is...

LB even went to the trouble of looking at film to get Diaw more involved with the offense but Diaw is not "the man" and has never been and never will be...he is not a crunch time player...that is not what he is and I think it is unfair to try and "force him to be what he is not"...to be fair to him he needs to be with an up-tempo offense...

My prediction...the first trade (and only one I hope) will be Diaw and AA packaged...but if that is indeed what happens we'd better get a starter back because Diaw does have value...just not with LB...

As for Ammo...I was not sorry to see him go but felt we could have picked up a "shooter" for less than Vlads contract...

and spectre...I've been playing with "trades" for days and this is the best I can come up with...it will never happen but what the heck...

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5280833

Diaw and AA to GSW....DJ to the Kings...
Jackson to the Kings....Randolf to us...Kmart to us...and Rodririguez to us...

It works but will never happen...I'm trying to use players that each team (at least one player) has expressed some interest about...all othe scenarios (using teams Jackson has an expressed interest in) really gives us nothing in return...

[spectre]

Are we discussing current worth or the reasons for why we made the trades? I can't really argue their current worth very much because I didn't see the last game (and why I haven't been posting much on it...kind of hard to critique going by the gamecast).

I have a big suspicion though that if Raja had played it wouldn't have happened like that. Sure he's getting old, but lots don't realize what his leadership and vet presence really means to this team. One big thing I think he keeps the rest of the guys focused on their jobs.

Anyway, we needed a PF and we needed more passing in the starting group. Two PGs only work well in certain situations. If you have tried to come up with trade scenarios you know how hard it is to find something that can work financially and where both teams would do the deal. On top of that Richardson was VERY well paid.

In Boris we got all points covered and he's young enough where it's possbile he could be "coached up".

If you've noticed LB thinks very highly of his own ability to make players better thru coaching. Sometimes he can, others he can't. Boris may well end up being one of the latter, but given what we were offering and our distinct needs I don't know that we could have found a better target.

Should we have gotten "more"? Hell yes. Duds should never have been included.

Ammo...I don't think we could have man, esp. after the 5+ million extension. That meant someone had to take his worthless ass on for about 10 million bucks...and no one's doing that AND giving up a better talent (no matter how minor) without some bigger negative being thrown in.