The Official "Fire Larry Brown" thread

[kickazzz2000]

It just kills me to see boxscores like tonight.

Mario Chalmers 30 pts tonite.

Blook Ropez somethin like 22 and 16 the other night.

But then I wonder..would LB have them totally fucked in the head right now too?

[coachcdobbs]

Look, Im not going to sit here and condone all of these player/personnel moves. Some of them at this point dont seem to make any sense at all. But as far as LB goes, sure he isnt utilizing some of the younger guys, but seriously, the problem is that there really isnt a ton of talent on this team compared to the rest of the league. We dont have a true #1 guy and we never have had one. Crash is not a #1, on a good team he is maybe a #2 or #3 guy. But when Crash is your best guy, then your team isnt that good. Jax is also not a #1 guy, we have a lot of guys who would be role players on good teams. The problem is now that we dont have the cap room, and we have made mistake after mistake in the draft where we could have had the chance to get a number one guy, but instead we took someone else. We could have had Brandon Roy a few years ago, and now the guy we drafted will more than likely be out of the league in the next 2 years. We took a small point guard instead of the 7 footer when we needed a big guy and now he is beasting up in Jersey. It is our choice of personnel rather than coaching that may have us where we are. LB is a very good coach, but we need real management, and people who know how to use the draft to build, and manage cap room.

Bottom line guys is that you can blame the coach all you want to, but the players that we brought here play the games. We dont have a ton of talent compared to the other teams in the league. And until we get smart about how to get talent we will continue to waste our money on role players making 6.5 million a year, and centers making 5.5 million who wear suits...

I still love my bobcats though.

Signed,

an unsuprised bobcats fan

[GoBobs]

It does not seem like any of our younger players ever get much better. Hard to say if that is on them or LB, but it is easier to change the coach then blow up the whole roster.

Felton looked a lot better under Bernie when the team was running more. We have brought in a bunch of defensive type players but not great shooters. Teams just pack it in on us now so it is very hard to drive and get fouls because they know thats what we want to do.

The defense is better under LB then Ham for sure, but the offense is worse and the pace makes for unwatchable basketball.

Guys I would want to take the job:

1. Coach K
2. Mike Dantoni
3. Kenny the Jet
4. Byron Scott

Other possibilities are:

1.the team is tanking to try and get LB fired because they are tired of getting yelled at and 9am shootaround. They figure even if they get traded it would be better playing for another team. Highly unlikely with a guy like Raymond who is in a contract year.

2. MJ is just about to buy the team from Bob and they are in final negotiations. MJ told LB to have the team drop an egg so he could get the price down a little more.

[ohara831]

Seriously. This is moronic. Your point guards are playing like shit, you have a point guard on reserves, so what do you do? Keep him on reserves. Tonight, Nazr had 8 points in the first half, so what do you do? Don't play him the second half. Gerald Wallace is a tremendous inside player and banger and what do you do? Try to make him take jumpshots. You have a player who averaged a double double the past 4 years, and would make for one of the best banger power forwards in the leauge, so what do you do? Get him a decent center who can rebound? Nope, trade him off for an injury prone guy who hasn't played ball in forever and was only talented when he had a real point guard facilitating him.

Seriously. He's an idiot. I don't care about his past accolades and his NBA rings. It's been over a year, and we are in the same place as we were with Bernie and the dreaded Ham Biscuit. Go get Avery Johnson. Or fuck Jordan, since your such a smart guy off the court and in teaching, coach the goddamn team yourself. Stop sucking the dick of every UNC product that ever exsisted. We have the goddamn talent, I'm sure of it. But constant stupid ass decisions are holding us back.

Your thoughts?

Well, I am not sure I am at the "Fire LB" place yet, but it wont matter. We all know that MJ will not eat that crow, and he wont humiliate another from UNC. It runs against everything Dean Smith installed in them all. Bottom line is, LB will coach out this year and the 3rd year of his Contract, and then I expect him to walk. If if does end early, it will be by LB's choice and likely there will be a good cover excuse - like health concerns.

But I will disagree with you on one point you noted. We do not have the talent on this team right now. Sure there have been bad decisions, trades, drafts, etc... But we simply dont have a very talented team right now. Not at all.

[polarcat]

that's the thing with bringing in a Larry brown, he's so different than most coaches. it's like having Phil Jackson or Pat Riley....in that they are hall of fame guys that are almost "above" the game of basketball. i would argue that almost every player that was here before and during his coaching stint have regressed rather than improved. the young guys are afraid to make mistakes and that is not a good situation. it's like when your micro-managing boss is always breathing down everyone's necks and then he goes on vacation for a week. the work still gets done, yet the atmosphere is not so stressful and people can actually do their job confidently without feeling like every move is being under a microscope. brown is the best coach we have and i too am not ready to run him out of town because he can be a good coach. i'm just nervous that if you spend 2 drafts drafting rookies and then kill their confidence while here, are we ever going to see their true potential. what if a different team drafted dj, would he be pulling a brandon jennings or tyreke evans and going off? if we drafted lopez, would he be playing like ajinca or getting 11 minutes of pt behind our veterans?

[amour217]

I think the Bobcats right now are stuck at a weird limbo-like impasse: right now we're playing "Patch up the holes" with the moves we've been making, and it's not just lately, the team has a history of it, particularly with the Diop deal, and even the Nazr one. What the Bobcats need to do is to make a complete paradigm shift within the entire organization...all of it...from player personnel to marketing to management...all of it. Simply put, they need to change they way they do business from the top down.

The Bobcats situation reminds me of the 2002-2005 era New York Yankees: we had this great run of 4 championships from 1996-2000. After a heartbreaking loss in 2001, the team went through this absolutely bonkers phase where the GM would constantly be overruled on decisions by ownership or the coach(es) and we'd be stuck with injured players on long contracts, just plain bad contracts, or two or three malcontents...on bad contracts. And each and every season they'd just try patching the problems: let's get this guy, let's get that guy, let's give up the farm to get this one dude. And we had nothing to show for it. Finally the GM was up for a contract renewal and George Steinbrenner was passing on team ownership to his sons...the GM basically said "I won't re-sign with the team unless I'm allowed to do what I feel is right for the team." So they let him do his job...we still didn't show much for it, heck we didn't even make the playoffs in 2008: but all the while the GM was dealing those bad contracts and stockpiling young talent and hiring GOOD SCOUTS. Yes, the Yankees will always spend money on top players, however in 2009 some important parts of the championship team was composed of home-grown, properly scouted young talent.

So is imploding the team the right move? Should we fire the GM and Larry Brown and start over? I don't' know...but the Bobcats can't keep doing things the same way they have been or we'll languish forever. I think the 'Cats can foremost benefit from good scouting. They need to have a cohesive plan before going into our offseasons: if you want to make the playoffs, don't blow a draft pick on a 3-4 year project and then never play him (Ajinca). If your team has needs, address them wisely and properly. You can't have a team completely comprised of superstars and veterans...it'll never work: the Bobcats need to come up with a decision about playing the people they draft and cut a paycheck to. In 2009 the Yankee bullpen was basically "Sink or swim with the young kids"...and you know what, some of those young kids flourished in that role and they became the team's strength all season, particularly in the playoffs. The Bobcats just need to start making better decisions in the front office, better decisions on the court, better decisions in practice time, better decisions in fan involvement/marketing...the list goes on and on...but they need something new, something fresh...and for God's sake, something consistent.

[dunnlx]

Iagree 100%!

Seriously. This is moronic. Your point guards are playing like shit, you have a point guard on reserves, so what do you do? Keep him on reserves. Tonight, Nazr had 8 points in the first half, so what do you do? Don't play him the second half. Gerald Wallace is a tremendous inside player and banger and what do you do? Try to make him take jumpshots. You have a player who averaged a double double the past 4 years, and would make for one of the best banger power forwards in the leauge, so what do you do? Get him a decent center who can rebound? Nope, trade him off for an injury prone guy who hasn't played ball in forever and was only talented when he had a real point guard facilitating him.

Seriously. He's an idiot. I don't care about his past accolades and his NBA rings. It's been over a year, and we are in the same place as we were with Bernie and the dreaded Ham Biscuit. Go get Avery Johnson. Or fuck Jordan, since your such a smart guy off the court and in teaching, coach the goddamn team yourself. Stop sucking the dick of every UNC product that ever exsisted. We have the goddamn talent, I'm sure of it. But constant stupid ass decisions are holding us back.

Your thoughts?

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

I think everybody needs to step back and breathe a little bit and hop off the crazy train of doom and depression, it's still early!

[teej]

I think everybody needs to step back and breathe a little bit and hop off the crazy train of doom and depression, it's still early!

Then please explain why so much bad stuff is happening and why LB is playing the wrong players?

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Then please explain why so much bad stuff is happening and why LB is playing the wrong players?

Haha the bad things are happening because you guys probably didn't wish hard enough for the good things. And as for LB I say he's just possessed by a some kind of mud demon and should be fine once Gumbercules is able to make it down to Charlotte.