The Official Lets Not Fire Larry Brown and calm down thread

[BETCATS]

I log in this morning and see a "Fire Larry Brown" thread. WTF? Sure he has made mistakes, but only some are his fault:

1. Small Ball- LB tried to use it pre-Jackson to make us score. Chandler is seriously a negative on offense, worse than anything our imaginations could produce. However, Larry tried/the front office tried to bring in a big over the summer. It just so happened nobody wanted to come here. Maybe we can trade for one, i am sure Larry is looking for a solution to the small ball issue.

2. Not playing Nazr enough - Nazr is our only offensivly gifted player above 6'9. Yet he only gets 16 minutes a night? I know Larry doenst like Nazr's playing style, but still, you NEED a scorer or at least somebody who can score as your center. Tyson Chandler and Diop cannot COMBINE to average 15 points a game. If we give Nazr 20 minutes, i think he will score 15 easily. And we need to play Nazr when it counts. He never plays the 4th quarter! We have to deal with Tyson 'no shit' Chandler who seems to have caught "Kwame Brown Hand Disease" and drops every single ball thrown to him. Larry adapts, maybe he will see this maybe he wont. I am not sure, but hope he does eventually play Nazr more.


3. Good/Bad/Ugly trades -
The good: Diaw trade, Jackson trade
The bad: Vlad-Rad trade, Tyson trade
The ugly: Diop trade
For every gem Larry brings us, a turd acompinies it. He trades for players he needs. I am fine with that. Larry then tries to encorportate them into his system, and is succesful for the most part. I could go on all day anaylzing every trade Larry has made, but i wont. I think he is a decent trader, sometimes we get a steal/sometimes we get stuck with crap.

4. Drafting - On the one hand, Larry drafts for Larry. He gets players he know he can win with. Like DJ. He knew he could win with DJ, so that is who we drafted. BUT Larry doesnt try and draft for team needs. We needed a NBA ready big man and a point guard that year, Larry took a NBA ready point guard and a big man who man never be NBA ready. These decisions carry over to today. We still need a NBA ready big man, their were plenty availble in place of DJ. We could have taken Mario Chamblers with the Lexxxy pick. But living in the past is wrong, and to Larry Brown's benifit every rookie he drafts works for him. So i cant really hold that against him.


Why it wont happen: The tarheel alliance alone is enough to stop it. You think Micheal Jordan is going to fire his blue blooded brethern? Ha! I dont think so. Larry pulls just as much weight at UNC as MJ does, and if MJ turns his back on him, trouble in paridise will ensue.

Why it shouldnt happen: What other coach in their right mind would want to come here if a hall of fame coach failed in front of him? I dont see that working. If MJ has hired/fired both one of his personal friends and one of his UNC brothers, where else is their to look from? Why would a outsider (like Van Gundy) want to come here? If the 2 predecessors of the job had personal relationships with MJ and still got axed rather quickly, does that look like a stable enviorment? NO. We need to give LB room, if he doesnt leave on his own (which he most likely will anyway if we dont make the playoffs) no coach in their right mind would want to come here.


It is too early to freak out. We have a long season ahead of us. Plenty of time for a win streak to balance things out. If their is one man for the job, its Larry Brown. He will find the solution. I was one who was in favor of hiring Paul Silas, but since we hired Larry we got the same type of thing Larry brings everwhere: organized madness. But it works, or at least over time it works. Be paicent. Calm down. Larry will do what needs to be done (and if not he will quit on his own!). ILBIT

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I log in this morning and see a "Fire Larry Brown" thread. WTF? Sure he has made mistakes, but only some are his fault:

1. Small Ball- LB tried to use it pre-Jackson to make us score. Chandler is seriously a negative on offense, worse than anything our imaginations could produce. However, Larry tried/the front office tried to bring in a big over the summer. It just so happened nobody wanted to come here. Maybe we can trade for one, i am sure Larry is looking for a solution to the small ball issue.

2. Not playing Nazr enough - Nazr is our only offensivly gifted player above 6'9. Yet he only gets 16 minutes a night? I know Larry doenst like Nazr's playing style, but still, you NEED a scorer or at least somebody who can score as your center. Tyson Chandler and Diop cannot COMBINE to average 15 points a game. If we give Nazr 20 minutes, i think he will score 15 easily. And we need to play Nazr when it counts. He never plays the 4th quarter! We have to deal with Tyson 'no shit' Chandler who seems to have caught "Kwame Brown Hand Disease" and drops every single ball thrown to him. Larry adapts, maybe he will see this maybe he wont. I am not sure, but hope he does eventually play Nazr more.


3. Good/Bad/Ugly trades -
The good: Diaw trade, Jackson trade
The bad: Vlad-Rad trade, Tyson trade
The ugly: Diop trade
For every gem Larry brings us, a turd acompinies it. He trades for players he needs. I am fine with that. Larry then tries to encorportate them into his system, and is succesful for the most part. I could go on all day anaylzing every trade Larry has made, but i wont. I think he is a decent trader, sometimes we get a steal/sometimes we get stuck with crap.

4. Drafting - On the one hand, Larry drafts for Larry. He gets players he know he can win with. Like DJ. He knew he could win with DJ, so that is who we drafted. BUT Larry doesnt try and draft for team needs. We needed a NBA ready big man and a point guard that year, Larry took a NBA ready point guard and a big man who man never be NBA ready. These decisions carry over to today. We still need a NBA ready big man, their were plenty availble in place of DJ. We could have taken Mario Chamblers with the Lexxxy pick. But living in the past is wrong, and to Larry Brown's benifit every rookie he drafts works for him. So i cant really hold that against him.


It is too early to freak out. We have a long season ahead of us. Plenty of time for a win streak to balance things out. If their is one man for the job, its Larry Brown. He will find the solution. I was one who was in favor of hiring Paul Silas, but since we hired Larry we got the same type of thing Larry brings everwhere: organized madness. But it works, or at least over time it works. Be paicent. Calm down. Larry will do what needs to be done. ILBIT

Well stated!!!

[ammofan]

Fire Larry Brown......unless AI signs here, then we can keep him lol

[ohara831]

When it all starts to unravel before your eyes, and you cannot stop it, the blame game must start. It is just human nature. And this team is not talented enough to go on any big win streak and start to even out its record. It is just going to be ugly. Question is do we : a) simply leave it alone, see where we fall in the Draft, and hope to get a stud to complement what we have, b) do we make trades to get draft picks or c) do we make trades for veteran help to try and fix the problem?

[Toocool]

Well said.
I also believe that if anyone can turn this franchise around, it would be LB. The problem is partly LB, but also its our beloved owner BJ. Get rid of BJ and it would be much easier on LB and MJ to be able to set this team on its tracks. Also, L is using the pieces given to him by Fine Ham Biscuit. Only thing FHB did really was keep G.

[Woodsy23]

When it all starts to unravel before your eyes, and you cannot stop it, the blame game must start. It is just human nature. And this team is not talented enough to go on any big win streak and start to even out its record. It is just going to be ugly. Question is do we : a) simply leave it alone, see where we fall in the Draft, and hope to get a stud to complement what we have, b) do we make trades to get draft picks or c) do we make trades for veteran help to try and fix the problem?

a) dont really think thats an option because if we carry on like this fan numbers will start to decrease and it will just get ugly
b) we're gonna have to trade our best players for draft picks meaning we're gonna suck even more this season and judging by our draft history we suck at picking good talent.
c) Veterans = a short term fix and lets be honest with good veterans we get to 7th or 8th have no draft picks and lose in round one or 2 of the playoffs?

it's a lose lose lose situation wow this sucks.

[MJ's Caddy]

I dont think that getting rid of Brown is going to solve much. This is not a real attractive place for a coach to come and I dont think we could get anyone better. Plus, its not like hes underachieving with a good tea, you can only polish a turd so much and right now we just dont have the talent to compete. The front office seems like it might finally start to be getting a clue i.e. the Jax trade and maybe they can slowly turn things around and get some talent.

[Chrystos]

Fire Larry Brown......unless AI signs here, then we can keep him lol

No. fire Larry If Avery Johnson wants to coach here.

[ziggy]

For the record, I'm in the "Do not fire LB" camp. At a minimum he deserves to finish out the season, then management can make some kind of decision then.

I agree that there are some things wrong with this team
* Tyson Chandler
* The decline of the point guards
* the lack of minutes for the young guys

But firing the coach mid-season would knock us all the way back down to square one and I'm not ready for that.

my 2cents

[teej]

But firing the coach mid-season would knock us all the way back down to square one and I'm not ready for that.

IMHO, that's where Larry has put us.

Also, we got big names interested last time. Everyone knows Larry has lost it (from what he did in NYK) and that this roster has talent and future manueverability. I'm sure someone good would be willing.

And betcats, MJ wouldn't be damaged image-wise at all, he holds more sway at UNC now than LB ever has.