The Trade Gerald Wallace thread

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Originally Posted by MattD

first off what makes you say that. you really dont know, I dont know, I doubt Gerald knows. Before we make judgements like that, we have to actually see them play and work together.

2nd. You should have put an option in there for if the right deal comes along then yes. That should be the answer, along with every player on this team. The deal doesnt have to be incredible, and we dont have to rush him out. If our team improves, or so it seems we are improving, then yeah, trade him. He is sort of the heart of this team right now, so there is definitely no reason to have a fire sale.

A few things that are up for debate

• He is not a "Larry Brown type of guy"

True, that is something that I don't know. But it is something that is listed as up for debate since the subject has come up quite a bit.

[Dead_Real]

If we some how magically landed OJ Mayo or Eric Gordon in the draft I'd trade Crash without thinking twice for a young but talented PF only the right offer like dav7z mentioned. Like many have stated in here already I loved the fact that he showed he wants to be here last offseason and I LOVE the way he plays the game (I for one am hoping Crash can return to that 2 blocks,2 steals a game stud we saw in 05/06 while playing for a Coach like Larry Brown). But with the good you have the bad with him the way he plays also makes me hate the fact that it usually leads to him having so many nagging injuries over the course of a season.

[dav7z]

Just for the dead season Ziggy i got your back. Crash is a gambler on defence. When he steals the ball he looks good playing the passing lanes . But he gets burn't more often than he steals. Hes all ways playing out of position trying to recover. It's either all or nothing make the big play for a dunk or give up two points. Larry Brown won't stand for that Crash will have to learn to play position defence in this new system/

[ammofan]

I just dont feel like Gerald can stand not being the main man. Some people dont want to admit it but Jason Richardson is our guy.
Wallace seems to want to be the guy and he knows how to be but he does not know how to handle himself as our second best player. We need a player like...Rasheed Wallace(?)....who has/is playing on a TEAM and already knows how to blend well with a TEAM and knows that he isn't the main man.

[spectre]

I'm back and forth. I really don't want to lose Crash and I'm salivating over what Larry Brown might be able to do with him...but on the flip I know what an experienced mobile PF would do for this squad.

Like Eaton...some scenarios like getting Mayo make it much more easier to stomach. This misc. ideas like Odom for Crash (which I came up with) not so much.

Chad Ford's suggested trade:

Crash/Ammo/May/9th (and I assume Harrington at the least to match salary)

for

Sheed/Prince...and I'd want their 29th (my idea).

After thinking about it I kind of like that trade for us. We get Sheed's exp. and he'll probably re-up after next year for the MLE or thereabouts...saving us probably 7 million bucks in salary. Prince, tho not quite as dynamic, is a better man defender on the perimeter and he's a pretty good scorer. He's also very durable. He's also on a good contract similar to Crash.

[davcbow]

Originally Posted by TheBeagle

This is my argument in a nice, neat wrapper! Everyone wants to give a metaphorical handjob to JRich for what he did from mid-January on (and he did a damn fine job; MVP of the team for that matter), but everybody seems to have selective amnesia about how Gerald put this team on his back from Game 1 until his foot injury in January, while JRich was getting his bearings straight and getting acclimated and shooting 37% from the field, and 60% from FT. Is this how little we think of the engine of our team? Throw him under the bus before he gets himself run over by one? Maybe it's the smart, business move to make, trading him before he gets hurt beyond repair, and that's why I couldn't be a GM sort; loyalty is EVERYTHING to me, and Gerald's given it to the city and to us fans ten thousand-fold!

And for the millionth time, they were NOT a better team without him, for crying out loud!! They cut Jeff...that's what made this a better team, and by that time, Gerald was already operating at less than 80%. A healthy Gerald is something you don't want any part of trading; trust me! But then, that is the crux. Only for an incredible deal should we trade him.

You have a good arguement there about trading GW before major damage is done but I really would like to see how GW and J-Rich play under the new coaching scheme that we will have this next season. Having said that I wouldn't turn down a great deal in a trade either.

[Wallace15]

I agree that if the right deal comes along that gives us more than what Gerald can give us then pull the trigger but I think LB can do wonders with the team he have right now(plus whoever we draft or whoever we trade the pick for). So I think before anyone talks about trading Gerald we should see what LB can do with him and the rest of our team.

[MattD]

Originally Posted by ammofan

I just dont feel like Gerald can stand not being the main man. Some people dont want to admit it but Jason Richardson is our guy.
Wallace seems to want to be the guy and he knows how to be but he does not know how to handle himself as our second best player. We need a player like...Rasheed Wallace(?)....who has/is playing on a TEAM and already knows how to blend well with a TEAM and knows that he isn't the main man.

ummm are you serious? Gerald Wallace has no ego. He is very laid back. Where did you get that idea?

The pistons success really is built on chemistry. When a new player is brought in, he is brought into the chemistry. Because they work so well together, there are no egos where egos would be, Rasheed is a fierce competitor, but putting him with the bobcats doesnt equal chemistry. Guys have to like each other and fit in well with each other, and a lot of that chalks up to the main leader, who apparently (and seemingly forcibly) has become the bobcats "leader"

[ammofan]

ummm yes I am serious. I didn't say he had an "ego" and I know he is very laid back and all. I like the guy. I am not againest him. I just have that feeling about Gerald that he wants to be the main man and does not know how to be a "sidekick".
I dont think that is a bad thing as a player. I think that if I were a coach I would love Gerald because of that. I think that he is hurting our current team because he doesn't know how to be a "sidekick" as I said before. I would LOVE it if LB could show him the ways and all that.(You know what i mean)
If LB can do that then keep GW. If Wallace has to play like that or else he wont be effective, than trade him...

Sorry if I offended you MattD......it is MY opinion and I respect yours...It gave me another chance to explain

[MattD]

Originally Posted by ammofan

I just have that feeling about Gerald that he wants to be the main man and does not know how to be a "sidekick".

I think that he is hurting our current team because he doesn't know how to be a "sidekick" as I said before.

First off, you didnt offend me and I hope I didnt offend you, I just think it is a strange idea to have.

Just remember Gerald rode the bench on Sacramento.

there are two statements that I just want to comment on. The first one, i guess explains that your idea of gerald only being a main man purely based off of "feeling" which explains a lot as if you've watched him play or heard him talk, you know that is not the case. (that might have been a bit mean)

Anyways, he isnt the main man because he isnt a takeover type player. His skill set allows him to score quite a bit, but he isnt doing it as the bobcats "main" player. He emphasizes team, he doesnt really like nor do well with the last shot of the game, and he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

When he was the only player on the bobcats that had the skills to be very effective on the nba level, he assumed the "main" role as all the best players on teams do. I think he just as easily shed that when Jrich came on and they shared in the scoring load. Gerald was never the sole focus of the offense when Jrich was here, yet he still managed to perform better.

As far as players who WANT to be the main man, that has to go to Raymond Felton, who manages to pull up for a shitty pull up every buzzer beater and just tries to do way to much.

As far as the second statement goes, in someways, he doesnt have someone to be a sidekick too. Jrich is good, but Gerald and Jrich are sort of equivalent rather then superior and inferiors talent wise, each does a different thing in a unique way.

Now as far as the offense goes and adapting to the offense, Gerald and Jrich didnt mesh well together later in the season, as Geralds ball-heavy style of driving sort of cogged the whole "offense" we ran.

Blame that on Gerald, blame it on Vincent, I dont know, but I dont think that has to do with Gerald trying to be the man on the team, I think it has to do with him trying to find a way to be productive and help the team score and win overall.

But hey, thats my opinion.