The Trade Gerald Wallace thread

[Jonathanmartin7]

I take it nobody here thinks that JRich is more tradeable because his salary is so much higher. J has a better offensive game, G a better Deffesive. If we are talking about doing this on or before the draft then we would have to do it with G. If we wait and come out with someone in the draft that is going to light it up regularly then send J and his money somewhere else. I'm really not all that impressed with him so far. At least no more than anybody else. I mean lets face it the whole team has been VERY bad since being created. Yes JRich had half of a year worth typing about last year. G didn't have a bad one, but I don't think he was as good as he was the year before, and didn't improve as much as expceted. Then again that was with Sam coaching(or at least he had the job as a coach)not LB. Under Larry there should be a great improvement on the defense.

I can see Raymond and Gerald trapping the ball and getting steals like crazy....unless ofcoarse we send Gerald packing.

[Icky Thump]

The whole thing with Gerald is that he is a talented player, with a great contract, in a position where we are somewhat solid even without him, and he has some injury concerns. Add that all up and you have a great trade candidate. He is probably would yield the highest return of players we would actually trade.

HOWEVER, considering the positives already mentioned community work, attitude, etc. etc. I wouldn't WANT to trade him unless it was just that good of a deal for us.

[mrtarheel]

That is why I say we keep him. The players began to come together as a team last year. When Gerald got hurt everyone knew they had to step up their game. With this being sad I say we trade the 9th pick for Charlie V. All we need is someone who can score and guard the pf position. Okafor and Wallace will supply the D while J rich sets up shop on the outside, Felts driving to the hole, Charlie V with a sweet jumper that extends to the other 3 pt. line opposite j rich, wallace for the alley hoops and Okafor for all the garbage baskets. With that done we would have to work on our bench. Next years first or this years 2nd and Harrington for Telfair and Corey Brewer in Minn. or for Crittenton or Lowry and Warrick. Maybe even give up Ammo and this years 2nd for those picks if not even trade him to Portland for Jack and Frye. This sures up our bench so even if we had injuries we would have depth at all positions.

[iggypop123]

im an outsider, no not a troll, anyways if gerald wallace or crash is traded what about a trade for lamar odom. the reason i say this is that when larry brown coached the usa team he was asked who his best player was with players like melo and others there and he said Odom no doubt. he loves odom and feels he is underrated. i know this trade was on the table last offseason so why not revisit it. what do you guys think? odom and memphis 2nd rounder for gerald wallace

[TheBeagle]

Originally Posted by MattD

First off, you didnt offend me and I hope I didnt offend you, I just think it is a strange idea to have.

Just remember Gerald rode the bench on Sacramento.

there are two statements that I just want to comment on. The first one, i guess explains that your idea of gerald only being a main man purely based off of "feeling" which explains a lot as if you've watched him play or heard him talk, you know that is not the case. (that might have been a bit mean)

Anyways, he isnt the main man because he isnt a takeover type player. His skill set allows him to score quite a bit, but he isnt doing it as the bobcats "main" player. He emphasizes team, he doesnt really like nor do well with the last shot of the game, and he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

When he was the only player on the bobcats that had the skills to be very effective on the nba level, he assumed the "main" role as all the best players on teams do. I think he just as easily shed that when Jrich came on and they shared in the scoring load. Gerald was never the sole focus of the offense when Jrich was here, yet he still managed to perform better.

As far as players who WANT to be the main man, that has to go to Raymond Felton, who manages to pull up for a shitty pull up every buzzer beater and just tries to do way to much.

As far as the second statement goes, in someways, he doesnt have someone to be a sidekick too. Jrich is good, but Gerald and Jrich are sort of equivalent rather then superior and inferiors talent wise, each does a different thing in a unique way.

Now as far as the offense goes and adapting to the offense, Gerald and Jrich didnt mesh well together later in the season, as Geralds ball-heavy style of driving sort of cogged the whole "offense" we ran.

Blame that on Gerald, blame it on Vincent, I dont know, but I dont think that has to do with Gerald trying to be the man on the team, I think it has to do with him trying to find a way to be productive and help the team score and win overall.

But hey, thats my opinion.

This is much truer to the fact than having to worry about Gerald reluctantly giving up "main man" status. Like Matt says, it was a role he probably took up out of necessity and was forced to because the struggling and inconsistent play of JRich of Nov., Dec., and early Jan. The more talent we surround him with, and coaching is definitely a huge part of that, the more efficient he becomes: count on it!

[MattD]

Originally Posted by iggypop123

im an outsider, no not a troll, anyways if gerald wallace or crash is traded what about a trade for lamar odom. the reason i say this is that when larry brown coached the usa team he was asked who his best player was with players like melo and others there and he said Odom no doubt. he loves odom and feels he is underrated. i know this trade was on the table last offseason so why not revisit it. what do you guys think? odom and memphis 2nd rounder for gerald wallace

I would do it in a heartbeat to be honest

[tamburello]

In 2006-07 season, he shot 1.7 three per game, in 2007-08 he shot 3.6 three pointers. That's why I'm saying we should trade him if we'd able to arrange a good trade. His value is high now and contract is great.

After the concussion, he said that he'll no longer be a hustle player as he was before. If he doesn't hustle, he's nothing. He's not a Kobe Bryant, he cannot depend on his jumpshots. He's shooting too much from outside, his isolation games are useless. He's a stepping stone on our offense. And yes, for exapmle if we can get Lamar Odom back in a trade, I send him to LA without thinking second time.

[iggypop123]

any more thoughts on my trade idea? its a win win for both teams in my view.

[spectre]

Originally Posted by iggypop123

any more thoughts on my trade idea? its a win win for both teams in my view.

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/show...odom#post90473

Originally Posted by spectre

I've long suspected that we're going to trade Crash for a vet PF...in fact I have a "heard it here first" kind of bet with Slam...Crash for Odom. To me it makes all kinds of sense BB wise, and you know Kupchak/Brown/Jordan would work with each other.

I do have a suspicion Chad Ford's idea has at least as good if not better shot however, mainly because of Brown's past relationship with Sheed & Tay.

Good stuff about the Olympics...didn't know that one.

[110oldeast]

THIS part of the list is huge for many posters and fans, b/c the reality is that Crash is NOT the leader nor the heart and soul of the actual TEAM. He doesn't even want to be. What he is, however, is the heart and soul of the FANBASE. All objectivity flies out the door when he comes up, b/c of the things below.

A 32-50 team doesn't go a last second Jason Richardson throwaway to Paul Pierce away from being 10-10 in the 20 games a guy of said magnitude misses (J-Rich throwaway from 9-6 if you take out McInnis pg games)! It just does not happen. I don't care how you try to spin it. Unfortunately though, b/c he is a great FANATASY/Hollinger player and exciting to watch, people forget the TEAM IMPACT and attempt to just call it luck or random fate when the team repeatedly excels in his absence.

People analyze and pick apart some player's games while only viewing Crash in terms of his strengths while mentioning his shortcomings in terms of potential as opposed to weaknesses. If trading him helped get us a legit FLOOR SPREADING frontcourt player (preferably a PF) to compliment Okafor while giving us a pick and pop option, I'm all for it.

I think Gerald is very exciting as an individual player, which is why folks want him to be the face of the franchise. However, I think for this team to excel he will need to improve at making the simple plays in the halfcourt (i.e. corner 3s like Bruce Bowen/James Posey) to compliment his spectacular play. Much of the reason that the offense and team ran better without Crash last year was b/c Carroll and Dudley did just this. They either knocked down the open shot (not sizing it up for a while letting the defense recover) or quickly moved the ball. If Crash learns to do these 2 things (less stalled out isolation play), he will be an even better asset to the WIN-LOSS record of the team as he already is a statistical all-star.

Finally, I think Bobcats folks can't just ignore factors such as durability and take them for granted. In a season where a few games are the difference b/w making the playoffs and being home, missing an average of 17 games a year is not something that can be ignored. And no, it's not about PF, which by the way is the position he and the team are most effective when he is in. It is about style of play.

[QUOTE=ziggy;90550]Trading Gerald Wallace seems to work its way into most of other topics, so lets consolidate that discussion here.

Here are few things that we know

• Crash is our most exciting player
• He is a fan favorite
• We all love his electrifying dunks and incredible blocks